Well Done PBO

[skipmac]

The downside was explained in post 2. Paper uses 4 times the energy to make, and chucks out some nasty chemicals in the process. If every little bit helps, we should be looking at the overall process, not just getting worked up about plastic.

And my rebuttal to that was also posted but I'll repeat and summarize

1. Paper biodegrades in short order.
2. Plastic NEVER biodegrades. It breaks down into smaller particles that enter the food chain and your body.
3. Making paper does generate toxic wastes but this is a point source generation which is much, much easier to address than the dispersed waste and pollution from plastic trash. And the wastes from paper production have been reduced a lot already and work continues to reduce it further.
4. Making paper is energy intensive but have you considered the total energy costs of the production chain to make plastic? Oil exploration, drilling and production, all use energy and the later two both use lots of toxic chemicals as well. Then transportation of the oil from wells to refineries, then cracking the oil, separating and refining the components (that also generates a lot of toxic wastes) to produced ethylene, propylene, butandiene, styrene, etc that are the monomers to produce the various polymers we call plastics. All of those steps also use energy.
5. Paper is from a renewable resource, trees and in some cases biomass. In the US there are millions of acres of trees that are farmed to produce paper and lumber. That and wild trees from second growth forests accounts for over 90% of the paper produced.
6. Oil is made from a finite resource, oil and gas. One day they will run out.

 

[skipmac]

I did read carefully, and I disagreed with your comment that "the huge bulk of plastic is manufactured in the US and EU". Asia accounts for the majority of global plastic production (ie more than 50%). China alone accounts for about 30%. But I accept that your knowledge may be out of date.

And again, excuse me. That one statement was not correct but based off information I had when I was trading plastics 20+ years ago. I stand corrected, again.

 

[Daydream believer]

I don't get the Greta thing atall as all shes doing is preaching to the converted namely the West. Instead why doesn't she try her sneering / lecturing schtick with the Chinese & Indians and see how it works out given the scale of pollution from those two countries................

Interesting video by Rebel Media. Showed the back of the car she was in. Had plastic cups, bags & old cartons littering the rear seat & footwell. When the reporter went to aske her about the hypocrisy, the snoflakes went mad & she was hustled away.

 

[Daydream believer]

It has the added benefit they can't include loose flyers trying to flog pensions, insurance, funeral plans,etc. which in 99.9% of cases just go in the bin. A total waste of trees.

As well as the above I note the number of organisations who produce magazines which are pretty much useless reading. I am sure that the executive officers think that they are fantastic & that they are doing a wonderful job. But take, for instance the RYA mag. is there anything of interest - unless you are featured. Same goes for my 2 professional institutes. I have not read their magazines in any depth for 50 years. Yet they still arrive every month as regular as clockwork.
My fishing club have members who work diligently preparing a quarterly booklet. It is rubbish to every one bar the mob that prepare it. I could not care less that some bloke, I have never met, has caught a carp weighing 20 lbs & here is a picture.
Why do they bother? Just a waste of paper.
If you have a message that actually needs to be read- stick it on the internet & i may read it.

 

[skipmac]

Interesting video by Rebel Media. Showed the back of the car she was in. Had plastic cups, bags & old cartons littering the rear seat & footwell. When the reporter went to aske her about the hypocrisy, the snoflakes went mad & she was hustled away.

Have a link to that video. I can't seem to find in online.

 

[skipmac]

Interesting video by Rebel Media. Showed the back of the car she was in. Had plastic cups, bags & old cartons littering the rear seat & footwell. When the reporter went to aske her about the hypocrisy, the snoflakes went mad & she was hustled away.

Did a bit of reading on Rebel Media. Not exactly what I would call unbiased or reliable source of information. Often referred to as the Breitbart of Canada.

 

[Aeolus]

I don't get the Greta thing atall as all shes doing is preaching to the converted namely the West. Instead why doesn't she try her sneering / lecturing schtick with the Chinese & Indians and see how it works out given the scale of pollution from those two countries................

Exactly. If she seriously wanted to make a difference, as opposed to just getting publicity for herself, she wouldn't be targeting Western countries.

A young person is trying to make the world a better place and all you two (oldies?) can do is sneer. Shame on you.

 

[Crinan12]

Couldn't agree more aelous. I hate the greta bashing thing. It's very katie hopkins. Her intentions are honourable . Of course you can pick holes in everything, but surely it's better to concentrate on the positive she's doing.

 

[skipmac]

Couldn't agree more aelous. I hate the greta bashing thing. It's very katie hopkins. Her intentions are honourable . Of course you can pick holes in everything, but surely it's better to concentrate on the positive she's doing.

Considering how much she annoys Donald Trump she must be doing something right.

 

[Daydream believer]

Considering how much she annoys Donald Trump she must be doing something right.

Considering Donald trump seems to be annoying you then he is definitely doing something right. Considering his rating among Americans they seem to think that he is as well. One can bash him all they like but he is doing what he said he would - or at least his electorate seem to think he is & what the rest of the world think is pretty irrelevant. When one bashes Trump, what they are really doing is bashing America & I am not so sure that is such a clever thing.
But that is a subject for the lounge- come to that so is Greta whats her name.

 

[Daydream believer]

Did a bit of reading on Rebel Media. Not exactly what I would call unbiased or reliable source of information. Often referred to as the Breitbart of Canada.

Obviously the establishment would say that, wouldn't they. But one only has to watch some of the videos & ask the questions to realise that some of their points actually make sense. - But another subject for the lounge

 

[Crinan12]

He's doing what he said he would ? How's that wall coming along!

 

[Daydream believer]

Have a link to that video. I can't seem to find in online.

Link
Just a bit of fun but it does show a double standard. Rebel Media also highlight how they are using a girl with medical problems to their own ends. In one case in an election campaign possibly to help win an election. I am beginning to suspect that she is being manipulated & receiving finance from sources that have ulterior political motives . In the end she will be cast aside & that is wrong. It is missuse of a child. She has already said that she just wants to go back to school.

 

[Daydream believer]

He's doing what he said he would ? How's that wall coming along!

He wanted to do 1000Miles but he should have about 700 miles repaired , renewed & built by the end of 2020. So over half way in his first term. Not bad considering the hassle he is getting from the opposition snowflakes.Will not be the concrete one he wanted, but mostly steel. That needs patrolling but patrols come from a different budget, I am told, so he can get that through OK. I understand that the effect has been to reduce Immigration already, but I have not looked for figures to confirm if that is correct.

 

[PCUK]

Welcome the very PC UK

OY! Leave me out of this!!!

ps. Where have the imogies gone?

 

[pvb]

Rebel Media also highlight how they are using a girl with medical problems to their own ends. In one case in an election campaign possibly to help win an election. I am beginning to suspect that she is being manipulated & receiving finance from sources that have ulterior political motives . In the end she will be cast aside & that is wrong. It is missuse of a child. She has already said that she just wants to go back to school.

She's just a pawn in the game. She should go back to school and do something useful.

 

[pvb]

A young person is trying to make the world a better place and all you two (oldies?) can do is sneer. Shame on you.

No, a young person is being manipulated. As I've already posted, if she really wanted to make a significant difference she'd be objecting in China and India. She isn't though. Makes you wonder why.

 

[skipmac]

Well clearly the tin foil hat crowd has taken over this discussion. Bye.

 

[Daydream believer]

A young person is trying to make the world a better place and all you two (oldies?) can do is sneer. Shame on you.

Personally I would not so much want to sneer at her but those that are using her to promote their aims which are possibly political rather than what we think they are.
She has be placed on the world stage to say that she is a young girl with health problems & is appealing to the media. She has been told to say certain things & is being paraded as some goddess with a message. She is not. She is a young girl who wants to go back to school. She is probably frightened. Who knows what this is doing to her mental state. Those that are financing this charade should be bought to book.
I do not want to sneer at her but those pulling her strings. Note that the BBC is one of them by the way.

 

[oldgit]

Please Sir it was not me Sir....... somebody else far away is far worse than me.
Ok if I bleat a bit about it and use it as an excuse to do precious little ?

Lead by example ? We here have the choice, elsewhere may not, for the moment.
Mind you, a mendacious adulterer is now thought to be a good example to a nation , no names no pack drill .....................
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