Dyflin
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Anyone know where I can get a small tub of water finding paste (used for detecting water in fuel tanks etc.)?
Water finding paste
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Mariner69
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I should check in the phone directories with the big (ship) chandlers who will be suppling it to merchant ships.
Since the nick name for ship chandlers is "ship thieves" you can guess it will definitely not be cheap /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
In the alternative, why not check with your local petrol station they may use it to check their tanks from time to time.
Since the nick name for ship chandlers is "ship thieves" you can guess it will definitely not be cheap /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
In the alternative, why not check with your local petrol station they may use it to check their tanks from time to time.
rogerthebodger
Well-Known Member
Go and speak to you local petrol station, they should have some to check for water in the bottom of their petrol storage tanks.
robind
Well-Known Member
Isnt there technology which shows up similar problems in car radiators, ie oil etc in water and wouldn`the company who makes them do similar for diesel to show if water was present? isn`t it possible to take out a deep sample from your tank using a piece of copper or plastic tube and depositing it into a jam jar to settle over night?
alec
Well-Known Member
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I should check in the phone directories with the big (ship) chandlers who will be suppling it to merchant ships.
Since the nick name for ship chandlers is "ship thieves" you can guess it will definitely not be cheap /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
In the alternative, why not check with your local petrol station they may use it to check their tanks from time to time.
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I think 'Ship Thieves' is very unfair.
I try to support local chandler's who have to stock a wide range of things with no chance of buying in bulk.
They also are open on Sunday's and Saturday's.
Many have packed up in the last 10 year's or so because they can't make a living.
On the East Coast I can think of the following places that have packed up :-
Queenborough
Heybridge
Maylandsea
Colchester
Felixstowe
Bradwell
What do you think they are doing wrong and what would you do to give value for money , and be open for seven day's a week and still make a profit ?
I should check in the phone directories with the big (ship) chandlers who will be suppling it to merchant ships.
Since the nick name for ship chandlers is "ship thieves" you can guess it will definitely not be cheap /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
In the alternative, why not check with your local petrol station they may use it to check their tanks from time to time.
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I think 'Ship Thieves' is very unfair.
I try to support local chandler's who have to stock a wide range of things with no chance of buying in bulk.
They also are open on Sunday's and Saturday's.
Many have packed up in the last 10 year's or so because they can't make a living.
On the East Coast I can think of the following places that have packed up :-
Queenborough
Heybridge
Maylandsea
Colchester
Felixstowe
Bradwell
What do you think they are doing wrong and what would you do to give value for money , and be open for seven day's a week and still make a profit ?
Plevier
Well-Known Member
Plumbers' merchant or central heating spares supplier - used for checking heating oil tanks.
Bajansailor
Well-Known Member
I bought a couple of tubes of Kolor Kut (and a hydrometer) two years ago from these folk http://www.petrochemsuppliesgs.com/ and they were very helpful.
Refueler Nigel told me about them, after I had written to him with the same question.
Refueler Nigel told me about them, after I had written to him with the same question.
Refueler
Well-Known Member
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I should check in the phone directories with the big (ship) chandlers who will be suppling it to merchant ships.
Since the nick name for ship chandlers is "ship thieves" you can guess it will definitely not be cheap /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
In the alternative, why not check with your local petrol station they may use it to check their tanks from time to time.
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I think 'Ship Thieves' is very unfair.
I try to support local chandler's who have to stock a wide range of things with no chance of buying in bulk.
They also are open on Sunday's and Saturday's.
Many have packed up in the last 10 year's or so because they can't make a living.
On the East Coast I can think of the following places that have packed up :-
Queenborough
Heybridge
Maylandsea
Colchester
Felixstowe
Bradwell
What do you think they are doing wrong and what would you do to give value for money , and be open for seven day's a week and still make a profit ?
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You are confusing Ships Chandlers with Yacht Chandlers who are 2 completely different animals.
Ships Chandlers do no business whatsoever with yachts and only supply ships. They are quite rightly nicknamed Ships Thieves and work usually with the Chief Thief (Chief Steward) on a vessel.
When I was on coastal ships - we used to rent a couple of taxis and raid local shops for our supplies rather than pay Ship Chandlers inflated prices.
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I should check in the phone directories with the big (ship) chandlers who will be suppling it to merchant ships.
Since the nick name for ship chandlers is "ship thieves" you can guess it will definitely not be cheap /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
In the alternative, why not check with your local petrol station they may use it to check their tanks from time to time.
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I think 'Ship Thieves' is very unfair.
I try to support local chandler's who have to stock a wide range of things with no chance of buying in bulk.
They also are open on Sunday's and Saturday's.
Many have packed up in the last 10 year's or so because they can't make a living.
On the East Coast I can think of the following places that have packed up :-
Queenborough
Heybridge
Maylandsea
Colchester
Felixstowe
Bradwell
What do you think they are doing wrong and what would you do to give value for money , and be open for seven day's a week and still make a profit ?
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You are confusing Ships Chandlers with Yacht Chandlers who are 2 completely different animals.
Ships Chandlers do no business whatsoever with yachts and only supply ships. They are quite rightly nicknamed Ships Thieves and work usually with the Chief Thief (Chief Steward) on a vessel.
When I was on coastal ships - we used to rent a couple of taxis and raid local shops for our supplies rather than pay Ship Chandlers inflated prices.
Refueler
Well-Known Member
Google for Petrochem Supplies ... they supply Inspection Co's and Ships as ourselves with Kolor Kut water finding paste as well as another which detects gasoline / petroleum products.
It's not cheap but works. I doubt they would want to sell a single tube though - it usually comes in boxes of ten tubs / tubes or more.
It's not cheap but works. I doubt they would want to sell a single tube though - it usually comes in boxes of ten tubs / tubes or more.
alec
Well-Known Member
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I should check in the phone directories with the big (ship) chandlers who will be suppling it to merchant ships.
Since the nick name for ship chandlers is "ship thieves" you can guess it will definitely not be cheap /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
In the alternative, why not check with your local petrol station they may use it to check their tanks from time to time.
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I think 'Ship Thieves' is very unfair.
I try to support local chandler's who have to stock a wide range of things with no chance of buying in bulk.
They also are open on Sunday's and Saturday's.
Many have packed up in the last 10 year's or so because they can't make a living.
On the East Coast I can think of the following places that have packed up :-
Queenborough
Heybridge
Maylandsea
Colchester
Felixstowe
Bradwell
What do you think they are doing wrong and what would you do to give value for money , and be open for seven day's a week and still make a profit ?
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You are confusing Ships Chandlers with Yacht Chandlers who are 2 completely different animals.
Ships Chandlers do no business whatsoever with yachts and only supply ships. They are quite rightly nicknamed Ships Thieves and work usually with the Chief Thief (Chief Steward) on a vessel.
When I was on coastal ships - we used to rent a couple of taxis and raid local shops for our supplies rather than pay Ship Chandlers inflated prices.
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It seems that many people are quick to criticise business's without stopping and analysing how the business works and operates. I would think that these same people would be outraged if they themselves were called thieves.
I believe the term in this instance goes back many hundreds of years but you still believe that it is applicable today by your post .
Perhaps if you were prepared to name any business that you considered a thief it would be more helpful to the rest of us.
Are you willing to do this ?
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I should check in the phone directories with the big (ship) chandlers who will be suppling it to merchant ships.
Since the nick name for ship chandlers is "ship thieves" you can guess it will definitely not be cheap /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
In the alternative, why not check with your local petrol station they may use it to check their tanks from time to time.
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I think 'Ship Thieves' is very unfair.
I try to support local chandler's who have to stock a wide range of things with no chance of buying in bulk.
They also are open on Sunday's and Saturday's.
Many have packed up in the last 10 year's or so because they can't make a living.
On the East Coast I can think of the following places that have packed up :-
Queenborough
Heybridge
Maylandsea
Colchester
Felixstowe
Bradwell
What do you think they are doing wrong and what would you do to give value for money , and be open for seven day's a week and still make a profit ?
[/ QUOTE ]
You are confusing Ships Chandlers with Yacht Chandlers who are 2 completely different animals.
Ships Chandlers do no business whatsoever with yachts and only supply ships. They are quite rightly nicknamed Ships Thieves and work usually with the Chief Thief (Chief Steward) on a vessel.
When I was on coastal ships - we used to rent a couple of taxis and raid local shops for our supplies rather than pay Ship Chandlers inflated prices.
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It seems that many people are quick to criticise business's without stopping and analysing how the business works and operates. I would think that these same people would be outraged if they themselves were called thieves.
I believe the term in this instance goes back many hundreds of years but you still believe that it is applicable today by your post .
Perhaps if you were prepared to name any business that you considered a thief it would be more helpful to the rest of us.
Are you willing to do this ?
Refueler
Well-Known Member
nicknamed is the key here.
It is a term used by many on ships and Chandlers hear it all the time. They do not complain - seems you may be taking up the batten for them ?
I do not need to name any - I can say that various UK ports including Middlesborough, Harwich, Ipswich, Aberdeen have had myself and other officers taking taxis to local supermarkets / shops to but supplies instead of paying chandlers prices.
West Africa where we were supplied 1 months supply of eggs that when we sailed we found had to be dumped.
Taranto Italy - 1200 ltrs of paints various delivered to our ship MV Gene Trefethen. During that night, focsle paint locker broken into and all paint stolen while still at anchor. We had to re-order. Surprisingly supplied very quick - in fact near immediately ... problem was we could not prove totally that it was same paint RE-sold to us.
I have a friend here who is owner of a Ships Agency and also Ships Chandlers. He admits he finds cheapest he can and marks up as high as he reckons he can get away with. Most ships are captive market. It is why ships have usually a specific list of which ports to buy what in and why many shipping co's delay purchases on voyages.
It has to be remembered that Ships Chandlers are prividing ANYTHING the ship orders - not just odd shackles and crud as a Yacht Chandlers does. It can be 1 ton of bananas, eggs, CornFlakes ... as well as coils of wire / rope etc.
Are you a Ships Chandler by any chance ?
It is a term used by many on ships and Chandlers hear it all the time. They do not complain - seems you may be taking up the batten for them ?
I do not need to name any - I can say that various UK ports including Middlesborough, Harwich, Ipswich, Aberdeen have had myself and other officers taking taxis to local supermarkets / shops to but supplies instead of paying chandlers prices.
West Africa where we were supplied 1 months supply of eggs that when we sailed we found had to be dumped.
Taranto Italy - 1200 ltrs of paints various delivered to our ship MV Gene Trefethen. During that night, focsle paint locker broken into and all paint stolen while still at anchor. We had to re-order. Surprisingly supplied very quick - in fact near immediately ... problem was we could not prove totally that it was same paint RE-sold to us.
I have a friend here who is owner of a Ships Agency and also Ships Chandlers. He admits he finds cheapest he can and marks up as high as he reckons he can get away with. Most ships are captive market. It is why ships have usually a specific list of which ports to buy what in and why many shipping co's delay purchases on voyages.
It has to be remembered that Ships Chandlers are prividing ANYTHING the ship orders - not just odd shackles and crud as a Yacht Chandlers does. It can be 1 ton of bananas, eggs, CornFlakes ... as well as coils of wire / rope etc.
Are you a Ships Chandler by any chance ?
Dyflin
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the link and all the other advice.
Off topic, ships chandlers do tend to be overly priced, but we never minded paying company money as the companies I worked for made some obscene profits. OTOH, ships where the old man had a cash budget meant supermarket runs and money in the kitty for luxuries at christmas or upgraded entertainment stuff etc. Horses for courses...
Off topic, ships chandlers do tend to be overly priced, but we never minded paying company money as the companies I worked for made some obscene profits. OTOH, ships where the old man had a cash budget meant supermarket runs and money in the kitty for luxuries at christmas or upgraded entertainment stuff etc. Horses for courses...
Andrew_Fanner
Well-Known Member
I recall calcium carbide paper from school chemistry as a test for water, changed colour (pink to blue?), may be available from a chemistry supplier perhaps. Of course, might do all manner of wrong if wetted with diesel!
alec
Well-Known Member
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I should check in the phone directories with the big (ship) chandlers who will be suppling it to merchant ships.
Since the nick name for ship chandlers is "ship thieves" you can guess it will definitely not be cheap /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
In the alternative, why not check with your local petrol station they may use it to check their tanks from time to time.
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I think 'Ship Thieves' is very unfair.
I try to support local chandler's who have to stock a wide range of things with no chance of buying in bulk.
They also are open on Sunday's and Saturday's.
Many have packed up in the last 10 year's or so because they can't make a living.
On the East Coast I can think of the following places that have packed up :-
Queenborough
Heybridge
Maylandsea
Colchester
Felixstowe
Bradwell
What do you think they are doing wrong and what would you do to give value for money , and be open for seven day's a week and still make a profit ?
[/ QUOTE ]
You are confusing Ships Chandlers with Yacht Chandlers who are 2 completely different animals.
Ships Chandlers do no business whatsoever with yachts and only supply ships. They are quite rightly nicknamed Ships Thieves and work usually with the Chief Thief (Chief Steward) on a vessel.
When I was on coastal ships - we used to rent a couple of taxis and raid local shops for our supplies rather than pay Ship Chandlers inflated prices.
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Thanks for coming back.
Unfortunately, I don't feel persuaded by your comments. What you have said could be applied to any business or organisation that either , gives poor service, does not give value for money or is unaware of market forces. In the long or short term , a business like this would probably not survive for very long.
When cruising, most of us expect to pay more for something in a corner shop than at Tesco's. It is also unlikely that we expect to see a seacock in Asda's or bread rolls made on site at a chandlery . We do ,for some reason, expect to pay for the same seacock a like for like price in a chandlers compared to a national chain of plumbers.
Ships chandlers, to my knowledge, have to source things on a rather infrequent basis in a fairly short time frame to meet the needs of the customer. If it is foods/provisions , again, they are unlikely to compete favourably with a supermarket. No doubt they can survive in other areas such as service and convenience which is probably why they survive. In modern shipping I doubt if crews have the time or can pay off duty staff extra money to go running around local markets and paying for taxis.
What I do find helpful is where good or bad service is reflected on the forum so that an informed decision can be made. Usually, a company is named and good/poor responses from the contributors follow.
It is difficult to follow your comments and line of reasoning particularly why a ship's chandlers should be different from any other type of business.You even state yourself that a ship's chandlers has to supply ' ANYTHING ' but you still seem to want to pay specialist prices. But how could any business do this without the buying power ?
As a businessman yourself, I would be very interested to know how it could be done.
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I should check in the phone directories with the big (ship) chandlers who will be suppling it to merchant ships.
Since the nick name for ship chandlers is "ship thieves" you can guess it will definitely not be cheap /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
In the alternative, why not check with your local petrol station they may use it to check their tanks from time to time.
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I think 'Ship Thieves' is very unfair.
I try to support local chandler's who have to stock a wide range of things with no chance of buying in bulk.
They also are open on Sunday's and Saturday's.
Many have packed up in the last 10 year's or so because they can't make a living.
On the East Coast I can think of the following places that have packed up :-
Queenborough
Heybridge
Maylandsea
Colchester
Felixstowe
Bradwell
What do you think they are doing wrong and what would you do to give value for money , and be open for seven day's a week and still make a profit ?
[/ QUOTE ]
You are confusing Ships Chandlers with Yacht Chandlers who are 2 completely different animals.
Ships Chandlers do no business whatsoever with yachts and only supply ships. They are quite rightly nicknamed Ships Thieves and work usually with the Chief Thief (Chief Steward) on a vessel.
When I was on coastal ships - we used to rent a couple of taxis and raid local shops for our supplies rather than pay Ship Chandlers inflated prices.
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Thanks for coming back.
Unfortunately, I don't feel persuaded by your comments. What you have said could be applied to any business or organisation that either , gives poor service, does not give value for money or is unaware of market forces. In the long or short term , a business like this would probably not survive for very long.
When cruising, most of us expect to pay more for something in a corner shop than at Tesco's. It is also unlikely that we expect to see a seacock in Asda's or bread rolls made on site at a chandlery . We do ,for some reason, expect to pay for the same seacock a like for like price in a chandlers compared to a national chain of plumbers.
Ships chandlers, to my knowledge, have to source things on a rather infrequent basis in a fairly short time frame to meet the needs of the customer. If it is foods/provisions , again, they are unlikely to compete favourably with a supermarket. No doubt they can survive in other areas such as service and convenience which is probably why they survive. In modern shipping I doubt if crews have the time or can pay off duty staff extra money to go running around local markets and paying for taxis.
What I do find helpful is where good or bad service is reflected on the forum so that an informed decision can be made. Usually, a company is named and good/poor responses from the contributors follow.
It is difficult to follow your comments and line of reasoning particularly why a ship's chandlers should be different from any other type of business.You even state yourself that a ship's chandlers has to supply ' ANYTHING ' but you still seem to want to pay specialist prices. But how could any business do this without the buying power ?
As a businessman yourself, I would be very interested to know how it could be done.
Refueler
Well-Known Member
Dear Snowgoose ....
I answered the OP by suggesting Petrochem Supplies - which another poster confirmed that I'd recc'd to them in the past and worked well.
I also refuted the post that brought into question the common MN term Ships Thieves - explaining in general terms that it's common term used, and why.
I'm really not fussed whether you accept / believe or not - but it's fact. I work around ships every day - I sailed on ships for many years ... and the problem derives from ships being a captive market for SHIPS Chandlers.
And again you confuse YACHT chandlers / yachties needs with a SHIP Chandlers / Ships needs ...
I give up. You read into what I post what suits you, you add in what I have not said .. you even ignore what's said .. I can't win can i !!
Bye !
I answered the OP by suggesting Petrochem Supplies - which another poster confirmed that I'd recc'd to them in the past and worked well.
I also refuted the post that brought into question the common MN term Ships Thieves - explaining in general terms that it's common term used, and why.
I'm really not fussed whether you accept / believe or not - but it's fact. I work around ships every day - I sailed on ships for many years ... and the problem derives from ships being a captive market for SHIPS Chandlers.
And again you confuse YACHT chandlers / yachties needs with a SHIP Chandlers / Ships needs ...
I give up. You read into what I post what suits you, you add in what I have not said .. you even ignore what's said .. I can't win can i !!
Bye !
Mariner69
Well-Known Member
Gentlemen, please do not fall out over this post.
The OP asked a question which I answered in two ways, option one: ship, note ship, chandlers as a source for the paste since it is often used on ships, and then warned at the possible cost thereof referring to the nickname, note nickname, used in the MN for chandlers.
The nick name was generic and well based given the extremely high markups which have in cases resulted in crews being sent shopping at the local supermarket.
Refueler had reacted quickly to condemn but then realised the error and corrected his post by a further post. He and the gentleman from Eire have given explanations as to why the nickname has applied.
To add to their comments, my experience was on a bulk carrier in Texas, I entertained the chandler daily in my cabin when he came for orders, plenty of teas, sandwiches and beer provided by the steward but on my own account. As it was on his route, I asked him to drop a film in to a kiosk on the road; for development on his way back to his office and bring it back when done the next day. He charged me $30 for a $10 develop and print. The official prices for goods were equally inflated above the normal shop, note shop not wholesale prices. I have seen further examples on my vessels and others which prove the nickname.
There are many honest men, and women, in the business of SHIP chandlers, the nickname does not impune their personal intergrtity but refers to the collective noun. I do not refer to YACHT chandlers.
The second part is that I suggested the OP might like to check with the local petrol station for the water finding paste.
It seems that a moment's levity has resulted in a war breaking out. Not my intention.
Chill guys /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
The OP asked a question which I answered in two ways, option one: ship, note ship, chandlers as a source for the paste since it is often used on ships, and then warned at the possible cost thereof referring to the nickname, note nickname, used in the MN for chandlers.
The nick name was generic and well based given the extremely high markups which have in cases resulted in crews being sent shopping at the local supermarket.
Refueler had reacted quickly to condemn but then realised the error and corrected his post by a further post. He and the gentleman from Eire have given explanations as to why the nickname has applied.
To add to their comments, my experience was on a bulk carrier in Texas, I entertained the chandler daily in my cabin when he came for orders, plenty of teas, sandwiches and beer provided by the steward but on my own account. As it was on his route, I asked him to drop a film in to a kiosk on the road; for development on his way back to his office and bring it back when done the next day. He charged me $30 for a $10 develop and print. The official prices for goods were equally inflated above the normal shop, note shop not wholesale prices. I have seen further examples on my vessels and others which prove the nickname.
There are many honest men, and women, in the business of SHIP chandlers, the nickname does not impune their personal intergrtity but refers to the collective noun. I do not refer to YACHT chandlers.
The second part is that I suggested the OP might like to check with the local petrol station for the water finding paste.
It seems that a moment's levity has resulted in a war breaking out. Not my intention.
Chill guys /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Mariner69
Well-Known Member
MORE APOLOGIES.
Sorry, Refueler, I miss read the quoted posts. It was not you that misunderstood the initial repy.
I owe you a beer next time I'm in Riga or there abouts. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Sorry, Refueler, I miss read the quoted posts. It was not you that misunderstood the initial repy.
I owe you a beer next time I'm in Riga or there abouts. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
timmerzee
New Member
inkoop@waterfindingpaste.com it's in Rotterdam
Refueler
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inkoop@waterfindingpaste.com it's in Rotterdam
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As a professional who uses gauging pastes daily - well actually I buy boxes of the stuff for my Inspectors - the advised Kolor Kut from Petrochem Supplies is my recc'd.
Simple reason - Many 'copies' are not as clear when water is detected. KK is red paste and it changes a reasonable amount from 'dry red' to a definite change of shade red. Viewable in half light on ships deck. Example of competitors - dry is sky blue, after detecting water is light sky blue and needs good light and eyes to see 'cut' on the dip. Useless to such as my inspectors.
inkoop@waterfindingpaste.com it's in Rotterdam
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As a professional who uses gauging pastes daily - well actually I buy boxes of the stuff for my Inspectors - the advised Kolor Kut from Petrochem Supplies is my recc'd.
Simple reason - Many 'copies' are not as clear when water is detected. KK is red paste and it changes a reasonable amount from 'dry red' to a definite change of shade red. Viewable in half light on ships deck. Example of competitors - dry is sky blue, after detecting water is light sky blue and needs good light and eyes to see 'cut' on the dip. Useless to such as my inspectors.
alec
Well-Known Member
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Dear Snowgoose ....
I answered the OP by suggesting Petrochem Supplies - which another poster confirmed that I'd recc'd to them in the past and worked well.
I also refuted the post that brought into question the common MN term Ships Thieves - explaining in general terms that it's common term used, and why.
I'm really not fussed whether you accept / believe or not - but it's fact. I work around ships every day - I sailed on ships for many years ... and the problem derives from ships being a captive market for SHIPS Chandlers.
And again you confuse YACHT chandlers / yachties needs with a SHIP Chandlers / Ships needs ...
I give up. You read into what I post what suits you, you add in what I have not said .. you even ignore what's said .. I can't win can i !!
Bye !
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Fair enough . We all make our own reality.
I am not confusing ship's chandlers with yacht chandlers by the way. In fact I will be seeing a ship's chandlers next week.
As usual, you know everything better than everybody else and get ruffled because the odd poster just won't fall into line with you.
In future, please, if you are going to call people thieves, at least have the courage to name a business, what the beef is, and be prepared to take some flack.
Otherwise, please refrain from saying silly things just for the sake of it.
Dear Snowgoose ....
I answered the OP by suggesting Petrochem Supplies - which another poster confirmed that I'd recc'd to them in the past and worked well.
I also refuted the post that brought into question the common MN term Ships Thieves - explaining in general terms that it's common term used, and why.
I'm really not fussed whether you accept / believe or not - but it's fact. I work around ships every day - I sailed on ships for many years ... and the problem derives from ships being a captive market for SHIPS Chandlers.
And again you confuse YACHT chandlers / yachties needs with a SHIP Chandlers / Ships needs ...
I give up. You read into what I post what suits you, you add in what I have not said .. you even ignore what's said .. I can't win can i !!
Bye !
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Fair enough . We all make our own reality.
I am not confusing ship's chandlers with yacht chandlers by the way. In fact I will be seeing a ship's chandlers next week.
As usual, you know everything better than everybody else and get ruffled because the odd poster just won't fall into line with you.
In future, please, if you are going to call people thieves, at least have the courage to name a business, what the beef is, and be prepared to take some flack.
Otherwise, please refrain from saying silly things just for the sake of it.
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