chubby
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Not the hun, when there is Scottish independence and they have taken over the submarines based in their territory and UKIP has taken England out of the EU we may need the submarine barrier to defend the Gosport pound shop!
Warning a Boat off the Submerged Barrier off Southsea.
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Not the hun, when there is Scottish independence and they have taken over the submarines based in their territory and UKIP has taken England out of the EU we may need the submarine barrier to defend the Gosport pound shop!
Twister_Ken
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Point of order, Mr Speaker! It's not a submarine barrier, it's an underwater barrier. The water there is too shallow* for a sub to sneak in and put one up HMS's stern gland. Conceived, I believe, to stop fast attack craft racing into the harbour (or at least to force them between the forts where superannuated RN gunners could have potted at them.)
*there's only a metre at the dolphin, at CD.
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prv
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chubby
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point of order taken Mr speaker!, unless of course the hun attack in lift keel 22 footers!
Giblets
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Used to nip over it in the RIB at the right height of tide. I do remember a big mobo ripping his stern gear off a while back though.
Was under the impression it was to stop fast attack craft (as TK said) and also the midget subs not the full size versions.
Was under the impression it was to stop fast attack craft (as TK said) and also the midget subs not the full size versions.
Twister_Ken
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If their objective is the Gosport Poundstretcher, they'd be better off taking a bus from Fareham.
lpdsn
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Ah! The Hun's been secretly buying up all the Anderson 22s. That's why they so rarely stay on the market long.
l'escargot
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Seems to be more effective against the Dutch than the Hun these days. Here's another one: http://rnli.org/NewsCentre/Pages/RN...n-obsolete-submarine-barrier-at-Southsea.aspx
Giblets
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I do wonder if the Dutch actually read their almanacs. As a Harbour Womble I used to speak to more of them regarding use of the Main Channel/Small Boat Channel into Pompy than any other flagged boat.
SWMBO (who is half Dutch) says that it is because they know how to sail so well that they don't need instructions!
l'escargot
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...SWMBO (who is half Dutch) says that it is because they know how to sail so well that they don't need instructions!
I have often wondered about that. I do have a respect for the seamanship displayed by the many Dutch visitors around the Solent. Then I got to thinking is it perhaps only because the good ones make it over here and Dutch harbours have the same proportion of resident bumbling boat handlers back home as we have here...
Seajet
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I have always thought it a complete scandal that the barrier isn't much better marked, a fair few boats have come to grief on it, notably a Princess mobo a while ago on her maiden delivery trip.
Yes we've all seen boats blithely go straight over and they usually get away with it, but novices who don't spot a tiny red line on a chart or the odd random yellow post don't deserve a potential death sentence !
Yes we've all seen boats blithely go straight over and they usually get away with it, but novices who don't spot a tiny red line on a chart or the odd random yellow post don't deserve a potential death sentence !
jac
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Well a fleet of A22s would be virtually unbeatable. The sonic boom alone as they went past would probably cause damage, they could outrun any missiles and even if they were hit by a nuclear weapon all they would need is a quick wipe down, maybe a polish if a really large missile hit them. As for weapons, they wouldn't need them for surface opponents, just ram, sink enemy, polish the scratch out of the gel coat, move on to the next.
benjenbav
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Why is the submarine barrier still there? Surely at some point in the last 60 years we've had the time and money to remove it?
And yes, I have...with my heart in my mouth but without hitting it.
And yes, I have...with my heart in my mouth but without hitting it.
Alan_B
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It would certainly look confusing to someone not familiar with the area.
I draw 3'3" and I'm regularly in water under 10'. When we see 6' I know we should think about changing course. The joys of sailing in an inland lake
I've been on other boats the have went aground plenty of times (never any serious damage). Not done it in my own yet though!
I draw 3'3" and I'm regularly in water under 10'. When we see 6' I know we should think about changing course. The joys of sailing in an inland lake
I've been on other boats the have went aground plenty of times (never any serious damage). Not done it in my own yet though!
lpdsn
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Of course, there's the solution: just get the fleet of A22s to sail back and forth over the barrier until it has been completely demolished.
Seajet
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If you lot ever raise the funding we'll give it a try
In the meantime I think the barrier provides a lot of shelter and wave dissipation for Portsmouth, it just needs to be better marked.
prv
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I guess it would be possible to double up the beacons and hang a string of fairy lights between them, but really it's one of the better-marked hazards already. If doing that, why not also a chain of close-spaced buoys along the edge of Ryde Sands, or a fence around the Brambles?
At some point you just have to expect people to look at a chart and avoid the obstacles marked thereon - it's a pretty fundamental part of sailing. Not try to turn the Solent into a dodgem rink with a rubber bumper around the edge.
Pete
Seajet
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' Better marked ' compared to what, the Bermuda Triangle ?!
As usual Pete you have not read what I said, and show little consideration for others less faboulously experienced than you and me.
As usual Pete you have not read what I said, and show little consideration for others less faboulously experienced than you and me.
prv
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Compared to, for example, the Brambles or Ryde Sands. I'm certainly not claiming that either is dangerously unmarked, but what they have is the odd buoy or post to let you know where you are in relation to a hazard you're aware of, not a visibly obvious warning for those who haven't looked at a chart. If you didn't know about Ryde Sands, for instance, you'd assume that the buoy off the end of it was just another port hand buoy marking the big ship channel, and of no more relevance to yachts than any of the others. Yet there's a great big drying sandbank just inside it.
By comparison, a row of yellow beacons ought to suggest that there's something out of the ordinary below them - the newcomer might assume perhaps a sewage outfall. I'm not saying the barrier is as well marked as anything ever could be - just that there are other hazards which are marked less.
What do you think I haven't read?
Pete
Simondjuk
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Perhaps the seaward end could use a slightly larger identifying mark.
