Volvo TAMD63P low power

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Hello everyone, I'm new on here and am hopeful that somebody can give some advice on the above engines - Volvo TAMD63P 370. The boat is not mine, I have been asked to take a look at it for a friend. I have long experience working with automotive diesels, such as Gardner, Leyland, Ford etc so I am no stranger to engines, but as I'm not familiar with these Volvo's I thought it best to ask!

The engines in question have a problem in that they will not rev above 14 - 1500rpm when the prop is engaged.
They have had a mechanic look at them 5 times now, and he has checked so far: Props for foreign objects, air intakes (blockages, leaks), exhausts, control linkages for correct adjustment and changed fuel filters.

So they have asked me to take a look as they're losing the will to live with it!

The first thing I noticed is that both fuel priming pumps are leaking fuel when pressed, however when the engines are running they do not leak. I've always been taught that any leakage on fuel lines is not acceptable, especially on the suction side, as fuel out = air in. So we have ordered two new priming pumps to be fitted for a start.

This problem appears to have happened after they gave the boat a dose of injector cleaner. Before this the engines were delivering full power. Both engines failed at the same time, so I am trying to check things common to both engines.

It sounds to me that the required boost pressure is not being achieved and so limiting pump rack movement, maybe due to lack of fuel in the first place because of the leaking priming pumps?

My plan is to fit the new priming pumps, check the fuel supply pressure after the filters, and also check the boost pressure by fitting a T piece to the air supply for the smoke limiter.

Can anyone tell me what boost pressure to expect at 14 - 1500 rpm? The manual gives boost at WOT and something like 2200 rpm, but doesn't give readings for lower speeds / power settings. The engines will rev happily to the governor when unloaded.

Both engines sound well and start readily.

Are there any common failing points peculiar to these engines that can cause the above problems?

Thanks in advance :-)
 
Hello everyone, I'm new on here and am hopeful that somebody can give some advice on the above engines - Volvo TAMD63P 370. The boat is not mine, I have been asked to take a look at it for a friend. I have long experience working with automotive diesels, such as Gardner, Leyland, Ford etc so I am no stranger to engines, but as I'm not familiar with these Volvo's I thought it best to ask!

The engines in question have a problem in that they will not rev above 14 - 1500rpm when the prop is engaged.
They have had a mechanic look at them 5 times now, and he has checked so far: Props for foreign objects, air intakes (blockages, leaks), exhausts, control linkages for correct adjustment and changed fuel filters.

So they have asked me to take a look as they're losing the will to live with it!

The first thing I noticed is that both fuel priming pumps are leaking fuel when pressed, however when the engines are running they do not leak. I've always been taught that any leakage on fuel lines is not acceptable, especially on the suction side, as fuel out = air in. So we have ordered two new priming pumps to be fitted for a start.

This problem appears to have happened after they gave the boat a dose of injector cleaner. Before this the engines were delivering full power. Both engines failed at the same time, so I am trying to check things common to both engines.

It sounds to me that the required boost pressure is not being achieved and so limiting pump rack movement, maybe due to lack of fuel in the first place because of the leaking priming pumps?

My plan is to fit the new priming pumps, check the fuel supply pressure after the filters, and also check the boost pressure by fitting a T piece to the air supply for the smoke limiter.

Can anyone tell me what boost pressure to expect at 14 - 1500 rpm? The manual gives boost at WOT and something like 2200 rpm, but doesn't give readings for lower speeds / power settings. The engines will rev happily to the governor when unloaded.

Both engines sound well and start readily.

Are there any common failing points peculiar to these engines that can cause the above problems?

Thanks in advance :-)

Firstly we need more info .

Is the hull clean ?
What make and model of boat is it?
Doe ethics said engineer know the model well , is he a dealer or time served vp engineer.
This is a simple engine with no electronics to go wrong .

You need to do a sea trial and bring info back .
You need to test each engine separate under load and record the attained rpm.
You then need to push both throttle flat out and watch the rev counters, they must be writhing 100 rpm of each other from idle to the max attained rpm , this will show the weak engine if there is one , as a boat is designed to attain its speed with 2 good engines.

Have you checked the fuel supply like new filters , clean air filter clean fuel and fuel filters, check the supply valves.

The lift pump is a 2 part pump, if it runs at idle and 3000 out of gear your pump is ok, it's. waste of money renewing the hand priming part it plays no part when the engine is running .

Does the turbo spin free by hand, is there play in the shafts ?
How many hours have they run?

Off you go .
 
Thanks for the reply. The other guy is not a VP engineer, as I said he has already fitted new filters.

I will find out what the boat is, engine hrs etc, and have it out on the water for some trials but it won't be for a couple of weeks as the owners are away until then.

At the moment I'm just relaying what I've been told and what I saw on a quick 15 minute look-see! Just thought it best to see if there are any peculiarities with these engines before getting involved.

Of course the priming pump doesn't play a part in the running of the engines, but the fact they are leaking like sieves is enough for the owners to want them changed - they are inexpensive parts.

I will be checking the fuel supply, including the supply pressure, when I return, to eliminate that side of things. The engines have no air filters fitted, just the black steel enclosures - apparently some years ago their mechanic then said they are not needed!

A quick reach into the compressor inlets confirmed that the shafts rotate freely and with no excessive play.

I will return with more information as soon as I can.

Thanks again :-)
 
Thanks for the reply. The other guy is not a VP engineer, as I said he has already fitted new filters.

I will find out what the boat is, engine hrs etc, and have it out on the water for some trials but it won't be for a couple of weeks as the owners are away until then.

At the moment I'm just relaying what I've been told and what I saw on a quick 15 minute look-see! Just thought it best to see if there are any peculiarities with these engines before getting involved.

Of course the priming pump doesn't play a part in the running of the engines, but the fact they are leaking like sieves is enough for the owners to want them changed - they are inexpensive parts.

I will be checking the fuel supply, including the supply pressure, when I return, to eliminate that side of things. The engines have no air filters fitted, just the black steel enclosures - apparently some years ago their mechanic then said they are not needed!

A quick reach into the compressor inlets confirmed that the shafts rotate freely and with no excessive play.

I will return with more information as soon as I can.

Thanks again :-)

Wrong about the black box , there is a foam air filter in there and if there isn't then get one fitted before you use it.
 
Wrong about the black box , there is a foam air filter in there and if there isn't then get one fitted before you use it.

Definitely NOT any filters in there. Owners said they were removed years ago on the (poor) advice of their mechanic then.
 
"This problem appears to have happened after they gave the boat a dose of injector cleaner. Before this the engines were delivering full power. Both engines failed at the same time, so I am trying to check things common to both engines."

From one or two actions that the previous person apparently did (who I wouldn't let near a wheelbarrow by the sound of things), I would start from scratch and go through all the fuel lines, check for blockages and take all the fuel filters out/off and have a look at them. As VP said fit new air filters - they are definitely needed. Turbos don't suddenly go from good to useless and certainly not at the same time. Try and find out exactly what was put into the fuel tanks to "clean" the injectors.
 
Yes, tell me! Beginning to regret getting involved with it now, but I have said I will take a look so hay ho!!

My thoughts are the same regarding the turbos, IF what they have told me is true the problem is more likely to be fuel related. No idea yet what they used in the tank. More information will follow as soon as I receive it!
 
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