Alistairr
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D Series, Isn't an option!!!!
Volvo Penta V Mercruiser??
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mercman
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Re: More advanced electronics translated into boatspeak means
CORRECT !!! How else do they make the money!
CORRECT !!! How else do they make the money!
Alistairr
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The Only diesel option available is the Yanmar 3.4L Turbo Diesel (240 hp)
And at an extra £10k, it makes the boat far too expencive.
I've also heard it chews up Merc legs.
PhilF, The reason for a new boat is my current boat is not an easy one too move on, so easiest option is to trade in for the same make but bigger.
Also made the biggest mistake of my boating life, Bought a Fantastic boat 2 years ago, and never bought a trailer,, Nearly bought one this year from a fellow forum member, but its been deceided that instead of spending £2k on a trailer, its better to spend £20k more on a bigger boat!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
And at an extra £10k, it makes the boat far too expencive.
I've also heard it chews up Merc legs.
PhilF, The reason for a new boat is my current boat is not an easy one too move on, so easiest option is to trade in for the same make but bigger.
Also made the biggest mistake of my boating life, Bought a Fantastic boat 2 years ago, and never bought a trailer,, Nearly bought one this year from a fellow forum member, but its been deceided that instead of spending £2k on a trailer, its better to spend £20k more on a bigger boat!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
duncan
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who say's it chews up legs? Firstly it's 3.54 litres and secondly it doesn't chew up legs. It's not perfect but I love it.
reference earlier response on B2 legs I didn't say they were inefficient I said BIII more efficient and on single installations BIII will usually be a better bet. I think I even said BII comes into it's own on twin installations.
reference earlier response on B2 legs I didn't say they were inefficient I said BIII more efficient and on single installations BIII will usually be a better bet. I think I even said BII comes into it's own on twin installations.
spannerman
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I work for Volvo and Yanmar and free lance for Merc after being with them for several years, so maybe my info was a bit out of date, but would still go for Merc over Volvo. And yes we do get that many Volvos with water in both new and old, we actually make bets on them when they come in for service as its such a common problem, if you know Volvo drives you will know that their inherent weakness is the prop shaft seals which leak if you get fishing line or sea grass around them also the gear shift oil seal leaks like a sieve after a couple of years. Whereas Merc drives which operate in the same waters seldom have a problem, draw your own conclusions.
Alistairr
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Thanks Everyone for the replies, very informative.
Good points for each make.
I do currently run the Mercruiser, and not had any problem apart from Corroson on the Leg, which again i understand is only a problem on the Bravo 3. So should i stay with the devil i know than the Devil i don't???
I think i maybe persueded to try the Volvo on this occasion.
I understand the Volvo is still MPI managed.
Concerned though that it weighs slightly more than the merc, but then it does have 10hp more, so maybe it cancels each other out. Views??
Another concern is, How serious a problem is the Water incress on the Legs, Is it on every Leg made, of just unlucky if it happens???
A Fellow Forum member make a very good point on a PM to me, regarding re-sale Volvo might be better.
Thanks again for the Info.
Alistair.
Good points for each make.
I do currently run the Mercruiser, and not had any problem apart from Corroson on the Leg, which again i understand is only a problem on the Bravo 3. So should i stay with the devil i know than the Devil i don't???
I think i maybe persueded to try the Volvo on this occasion.
I understand the Volvo is still MPI managed.
Concerned though that it weighs slightly more than the merc, but then it does have 10hp more, so maybe it cancels each other out. Views??
Another concern is, How serious a problem is the Water incress on the Legs, Is it on every Leg made, of just unlucky if it happens???
A Fellow Forum member make a very good point on a PM to me, regarding re-sale Volvo might be better.
Thanks again for the Info.
Alistair.
Alistairr
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Roy, Who does your Volvo servicing and Repairs??
And are they good??
No Probs about checking Indi, I'll not get up there till a week on Friday, but i'm sure everything is fine.
Cheers
Alistair.
And are they good??
No Probs about checking Indi, I'll not get up there till a week on Friday, but i'm sure everything is fine.
Cheers
Alistair.
Roy
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Had prossers do the winter service - excellent. It was a freeby too. Have quotes from macdonalds for the legs this month plus anodes etc. Seems par for the course of rip off marine charges that is. Am speaking to a guy locally who served his time with Caterpillar Marine and used to travel all the uk servcing fishing boats and large gin palaces. He runs a garage business and may be doing my legs job for a fraction of quoted price. Will keep you posted on this.
Alistairr
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Please do, Thanks.
Cheers Alistair.
Cheers Alistair.
MedDreamer
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Ali.
Please don't take this the wrong way (there's been enough of that on here recently) but given the the replies on this post I'm suprised that you have come to that conclusion.
Haven't seen anything on this thread that really pushes Volvo against the mercruiser and there does seem to be bigger questionmarks over the Volvo. Why discount your own experience and ignore your own reservations?
Can you clarify the logic of your choice.
Exciting though isn't it.
Martyn
Please don't take this the wrong way (there's been enough of that on here recently) but given the the replies on this post I'm suprised that you have come to that conclusion.
Haven't seen anything on this thread that really pushes Volvo against the mercruiser and there does seem to be bigger questionmarks over the Volvo. Why discount your own experience and ignore your own reservations?
Can you clarify the logic of your choice.
Exciting though isn't it.
Martyn
Alistairr
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There have been some very good points brought up about both engines, But i am asured the New DP leg, is a lot better than any previous models.
The Volvo has slightly more power, which must be a good thing.
Its also a far better known brand here in Europe in boating.
I am a member of a few American discussion groups and Forums, and obviously Petrol is big over there, and there seems to be a big thing that new Merc Legs suffer very badly from corrosion, and i am just beginning to see that in my own boat, and thats after 2 years in fresh water, And with this new boat, we hope one day to make the move from Loch to Sea.
I still haven't ruled out Mercruisers yet, I will be making my final desicion when i try the boats out in the Bristol Channel at the end of the month.
Pushing Volvo on this thread is the amount of opinions.
Volvo 7 to Mercruiser 3.
Cheers
Alistair.
The Volvo has slightly more power, which must be a good thing.
Its also a far better known brand here in Europe in boating.
I am a member of a few American discussion groups and Forums, and obviously Petrol is big over there, and there seems to be a big thing that new Merc Legs suffer very badly from corrosion, and i am just beginning to see that in my own boat, and thats after 2 years in fresh water, And with this new boat, we hope one day to make the move from Loch to Sea.
I still haven't ruled out Mercruisers yet, I will be making my final desicion when i try the boats out in the Bristol Channel at the end of the month.
Pushing Volvo on this thread is the amount of opinions.
Volvo 7 to Mercruiser 3.
Cheers
Alistair.
MedDreamer
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Yes the BIII corrosion problem still gets plenty of attention on the Bayliner Owners Club, you would have thought they would have sorted that by now.
My outdrives don't last long enough for corrosion to be an issue /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
My outdrives don't last long enough for corrosion to be an issue /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Alistairr
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With your reply here, and your New Thread, it looks like my decision maybe justified!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
But we'll see.
I would still like to hear from People regarding the Volvo leg seals question.
Cheers
Alistair.
But we'll see.
I would still like to hear from People regarding the Volvo leg seals question.
Cheers
Alistair.
MidlandsOnSea
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Could you point me in the direction of more info on the BIII corrosion issues?
andrewa
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Alistair
Why was not buying a trailer a mistake if you wouldn't use it?
Why was not buying a trailer a mistake if you wouldn't use it?
Solitaire
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Steady Alistair! There is an old saying: Options lead to insanity! Go check out the performance yourself. I'll check out some marine engineer mates down here. We had a long enough chat about it this morning. More power is better than less, particularly if you move to the Clyde. With more power, you don't have to use it. With less, you aint got it if you need it! As I also mentioned there is major problems on Bravo 3 corrosion in my neck of the woods. In fact after we spoke, I had a conversation with a guy (well his wife actually) in my yard who has just got a result from Barrus after his Bravo 3's corroded beyond repair in about 3 months. I know of at least one other case - and he is a member of this forum! It does appear though that twin installations and stainless props are being particularly effected.
oldgit
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Re: More advanced electronics translated into boatspeak means
Are the customers allowed to start fighting at the IKEA marina as well.
Are the customers allowed to start fighting at the IKEA marina as well.
mercman
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With you Duncan on this one. Not heard the 240hp chewing legs. On the ribs we install on there have been no problems...Bravo 3`s a couple of problems on 315hp Yanmars. MerCruiser how ever have launched a new drive yet to hit our shores the BRAVO 3X R. Able to withstand more torque and horsepower....we await in antisipation!!!!
Later Bravo 3`s have extra anode on cavitation plate and another bolted to the propshaft. Other issues were the bearing carriers which they are no coating in a special chemical paint arrangement which will hopefully combat this problem.
This made apparant at the merc dealer update course as of today!!!!
Later Bravo 3`s have extra anode on cavitation plate and another bolted to the propshaft. Other issues were the bearing carriers which they are no coating in a special chemical paint arrangement which will hopefully combat this problem.
This made apparant at the merc dealer update course as of today!!!!
MidlandsOnSea
New member
All this talk of Bravo 3s corroding beyond repair in less than 3 months is frightening the life out of me. I bought my Sealine in Autumn, with B3s, and it was the twin installation (obviously) and stainless props. Surveyor reported corrosion on one of the legs. Got a Merc dealer to check it, and they concluded the Mercathode unit was at fault, and replaced it. However, they never exactly instilled me with 100% confidence that they knew that was the cause. Now the boat is in the water, with shore power connected all the time (not least to keep the batteries topped up to feed the Mercathodes). I'm wondering if I'm going to lift her out in the Spring and find I've no drives left - presumably it's not something one can spot in the water even if you lift the leg up.
So, my question is this: were the 3-monthers extreme cases where something was very wrong (like no Mercathode working), or should I be lifting her out now (after a couple of months in the water) to see how things are looking?
That's the problem with boating - it seems to me that at any one point in time, there's always something to worry about! And mobos seem to make me more paranoid than ones with sails used to.
So, my question is this: were the 3-monthers extreme cases where something was very wrong (like no Mercathode working), or should I be lifting her out now (after a couple of months in the water) to see how things are looking?
That's the problem with boating - it seems to me that at any one point in time, there's always something to worry about! And mobos seem to make me more paranoid than ones with sails used to.
Solitaire
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Interesting - I know off 4 cases of Yanmar's chewing Bravo 3's. Plus an importer who fits Yanmar 240's no longer fits the Bravo 3 to any of the new boats now.
A school I work with has had probelms with their Bravo 3 on a Scorpion with the 310 Yanmar as well.
A school I work with has had probelms with their Bravo 3 on a Scorpion with the 310 Yanmar as well.