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Anyone know if you can use Volvo Truck oil - Ultra Diesel Engine Oil, in KAD32's?
I have checked the specs between this and the recommended Penta oil and they are very nearly the same, the only difference I can see is the truck oil is ECEA E7 & the Penta is ACEA E5 and according to the notes I have seen it is a better spec?

Specs
Ultra Diesel Engine Oil -
15W/40
VDS-3
ECEA E7
API CI-4

Penta
15W/40
VDS-3
ACEA E5
API CI-4

Thanks
 
twilliams_34 said:
Anyone know if you can use Volvo Truck oil - Ultra Diesel Engine Oil, in KAD32's?
I have checked the specs between this and the recommended Penta oil and they are very nearly the same, the only difference I can see is the truck oil is ECEA E7 & the Penta is ACEA E5 and according to the notes I have seen it is a better spec?

Specs
Ultra Diesel Engine Oil -
15W/40
VDS-3
ECEA E7
API CI-4

Penta
15W/40
VDS-3
ACEA E5
API CI-4

Thanks
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Diesel Engines
Category Status Service
CI-4 Current
CG-4
CF-4
CF-2
Obsolete
CF
Obsolete
CE Obsolete
CD-II Obsolete
CD
CC Obsolete
Obsolete
Current
Current
Current
Current
CB
CA
Introduced in 2002. For high-speed, four-stroke
engines designed to meet 2004 exhaust
emission standards implemented in 2002. CI-4
oils are formulated to sustain engine durability
where exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) is used
and are intended for use with diesel fuels
ranging in sulfur content up to 0.5% weight.
Can be used in place of CD, CE, CF-4, CG-4,
and CH-4 oils. Some CI-4 oils may also qualify
for the CI-4 PLUS designation.
Introduced in 1998. For high-speed, four-stroke
engines designed to meet 1998 exhaust
emission standards. CH-4 oils are specifically
compounded for use with diesel fuels ranging
in sulfur content up to 0.5% weight. Can be
used in place of CD, CE, CF-4, and CG-4 oils.
Introduced in 1995. For severe duty, high-speed,
four-stroke engines using fuel with less than
0.5% weight sulfur. CG-4 oils are required for
engines meeting 1994 emission standards.
Can be used in place of CD, CE, and CF-4 oils.
Introduced in 1990. For high-speed, four-stroke,
naturally aspirated and turbocharged engines.
Can be used in place of CD and CE oils.
Introduced in 1994. For severe duty, two-strokecycle
engines. Can be used in place of CD-II
oils.
Introduced in 1994. For off-road, indirectinjected
and other diesel engines including
those using fuel with over 0.5% weight sulfur.
Can be used in place of CD oils.
Introduced in 1985. For high-speed, four-stroke,
naturally aspirated and turbocharged engines.
Can be used in place of CC and CD oils.
Introduced in 1985. For two-stroke cycle
engines.
Introduced in 1955. For certain naturally
aspirated and turbocharged engines.
CAUTION—Not suitable for use in diesel-powered
engines built after 1990.
CAUTION—Not suitable for use in diesel-powered
engines built after 1961.
CAUTION—Not suitable for use in diesel-powered
engines built after 1959.
MOTOR OIL GUIDE AMERICAN
PETROLEUM
INSTITUTE
CH-4 Current
 
sailorman said:
Diesel Engines
Category Status Service
CI-4 Current
CG-4
CF-4
CF-2
Obsolete
CF
Obsolete
CE Obsolete
CD-II Obsolete
CD
CC Obsolete
Obsolete
Current
Current
Current
Current
CB
CA
Introduced in 2002. For high-speed, four-stroke
engines designed to meet 2004 exhaust
emission standards implemented in 2002. CI-4
oils are formulated to sustain engine durability
where exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) is used
and are intended for use with diesel fuels
ranging in sulfur content up to 0.5% weight.
Can be used in place of CD, CE, CF-4, CG-4,
and CH-4 oils. Some CI-4 oils may also qualify
for the CI-4 PLUS designation.
Introduced in 1998. For high-speed, four-stroke
engines designed to meet 1998 exhaust
emission standards. CH-4 oils are specifically
compounded for use with diesel fuels ranging
in sulfur content up to 0.5% weight. Can be
used in place of CD, CE, CF-4, and CG-4 oils.
Introduced in 1995. For severe duty, high-speed,
four-stroke engines using fuel with less than
0.5% weight sulfur. CG-4 oils are required for
engines meeting 1994 emission standards.
Can be used in place of CD, CE, and CF-4 oils.
Introduced in 1990. For high-speed, four-stroke,
naturally aspirated and turbocharged engines.
Can be used in place of CD and CE oils.
Introduced in 1994. For severe duty, two-strokecycle
engines. Can be used in place of CD-II
oils.
Introduced in 1994. For off-road, indirectinjected
and other diesel engines including
those using fuel with over 0.5% weight sulfur.
Can be used in place of CD oils.
Introduced in 1985. For high-speed, four-stroke,
naturally aspirated and turbocharged engines.
Can be used in place of CC and CD oils.
Introduced in 1985. For two-stroke cycle
engines.
Introduced in 1955. For certain naturally
aspirated and turbocharged engines.
CAUTION—Not suitable for use in diesel-powered
engines built after 1990.
CAUTION—Not suitable for use in diesel-powered
engines built after 1961.
CAUTION—Not suitable for use in diesel-powered
engines built after 1959.
MOTOR OIL GUIDE AMERICAN
PETROLEUM
INSTITUTE
CH-4 Current
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This is gibberish try http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/API.html
 
twilliams_34 said:
Anyone know if you can use Volvo Truck oil - Ultra Diesel Engine Oil, in KAD32's?
I have checked the specs between this and the recommended Penta oil and they are very nearly the same, the only difference I can see is the truck oil is ECEA E7 & the Penta is ACEA E5 and according to the notes I have seen it is a better spec?

Specs
Ultra Diesel Engine Oil -
15W/40
VDS-3
ECEA E7
API CI-4

Penta
15W/40
VDS-3
ACEA E5
API CI-4

Thanks
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It's the correct viscosity and conforms with Volvo VDS-3 spec, so it's fine. Haydn is also correct though, Volvo don't make oil, any good quality oil that complies with the required spec is absolutely fine.
 
I thought it looked fine as well but it is nearly half the price of the Volvo Penta oil :confused:
I suppose it is the Marine mark up that makes the difference:p
 
twilliams_34 said:
Anyone know if you can use Volvo Truck oil - Ultra Diesel Engine Oil, in KAD32's?
I have checked the specs between this and the recommended Penta oil and they are very nearly the same, the only difference I can see is the truck oil is ECEA E7 & the Penta is ACEA E5 and according to the notes I have seen it is a better spec?

Specs
Ultra Diesel Engine Oil -
15W/40
VDS-3
ECEA E7
API CI-4

Penta
15W/40
VDS-3
ACEA E5
API CI-4

Thanks
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With a poster claiming gibberish leaves me exasperated. ACEA is really so simple.

We are in Europe, stick to ACEA grades and stay away from truck oils. Retarded Euro 5 truck engines require enhanced soot handling qualities, that you have you have no need of (ACEA E7) as well as the cost. Just stick to the Penta requirement, all you requre is any decent quality lube 15W40 VDS3 ACEA E5 plenty about at less than £2 per litre.
 
Latestarter1 said:
With a poster claiming gibberish leaves me exasperated. ACEA is really so simple.

We are in Europe, stick to ACEA grades and stay away from truck oils. Retarded Euro 5 truck engines require enhanced soot handling qualities, that you have you have no need of (ACEA E7) as well as the cost. Just stick to the Penta requirement, all you requre is any decent quality lube 15W40 VDS3 ACEA E5 plenty about at less than £2 per litre.
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Although there's no need for E7's soot handling capabilities, it's half the price of Penta E5.
 
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I can get hold of the Truck oil for about £44 for 20L from a Volvo dealer.
I was just concerned, as like they say if it sounds to good to be true it usually is.
 
VDS-3 and all manufacturers own grades can be ignored (for 99.9% of end users)


The manufacturers pay for extra bespoke tests on standard oil , then recommend it after loading the price.

Example,

I want to buy Tescos oil for £1 litre and then sell it to Fordvolmercxhal owners for £10 a litre.

I know a Fordvolmercxhal truck owner that uses his truck year round in -10c at 2000 feet altitude.

After he has done 50000 miles I give him a new engine, take his old engine back to the factory and take it to bits, I measure the amount of soot in the pots and wear in the rings.

I now grade the Tescos oil 'VDS-4 TWITS' and tell the twits their warranty will be void if they dont use my graded oil.

Now Tescos are selling the same oil but they can not call it 'VDS-4 TWITS' unless they do the same test on it, note I chose an obscure test that will be difficult to replicate.

If you want to use the VDS-3 at least you should read up on exactly what the specification was for and of course if you want to use your boat at an altitude 2000 feet in -10c then send me an order because I have about 10L of VDS-4 TWITS I can let you have for £100 including P&P :rolleyes:
 
DAKA said:
VDS-3 and all manufacturers own grades can be ignored (for 99.9% of end users)


The manufacturers pay for extra bespoke tests on standard oil , then recommend it after loading the price.

Example,

I want to buy Tescos oil for £1 litre and then sell it to Fordvolmercxhal owners for £10 a litre.

I know a Fordvolmercxhal truck owner that uses his truck year round in -10c at 2000 feet altitude.

After he has done 50000 miles I give him a new engine, take his old engine back to the factory and take it to bits, I measure the amount of soot in the pots and wear in the rings.

I now grade the Tescos oil 'VDS-4 TWITS' and tell the twits their warranty will be void if they dont use my graded oil.

Now Tescos are selling the same oil but they can not call it 'VDS-4 TWITS' unless they do the same test on it, note I chose an obscure test that will be difficult to replicate.

If you want to use the VDS-3 at least you should read up on exactly what the specification was for and of course if you want to use your boat at an altitude 2000 feet in -10c then send me an order because I have about 10L of VDS-4 TWITS I can let you have for £100 including P&P :rolleyes:
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Well, then there is the small question of would you be happier buying a boat that always has receipts for VDS2/3, or one where the proud owner has been using Acme Motors premium blend ? Given the amount of panic often on here about rampant fraud, hidden mortgages,absconding brokers and raids by the VAT man, I m a bit surprised we havent yet the risk of exploding engines (imminent, 1 day after you have bought the boat) ;)
£3 a litre for VDS isnt really much of a cost in the overall £10-20k a year of the boat.
 
I was only answering the question on specifications, I dont currently have Volvos :)

But you are of course right, a boat that has bills for a £1000 service each year will sell quicker than one without a service history.

I remember buying a Corniche a few years ago that had different oil/fuel filters on each engine, as a selling point the owner said

these engines are fine sea start have crawled all over them loads of times :eek:


It had been a problem boat until I got it, and had it serviced it properly and became very reliable, the Volvo Penta 5* mechanic recommended I use non volvo oils but recommended volvo filters.
 
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