Visiting France after No Deal BREXIT

[guernseyman]

The following message from the Guernsey Yacht Club may be of general interest.
N.B. It is relevant strictly only for boats from the CI, though you might extrapolate for passages from England to France.

We have been asked to distribute the following message to all members by the Guernsey Harbours Head of Port Operations. (A LNTM will also be issued on Thursday):

In the event of a “No Deal” BREXIT we have been advised that the French Authorities are indicating that visitors to France, arriving from the Channel Islands by sea, will have to initially report to a Frontières Maritimes Port to achieve Customs & Immigration Clearance.
After this they can freely move between other ports on the French Coast, including to marinas that are not designated Frontières Martimes.

The Frontières Maritimes in Normandy are:
Cherbourg
Granville
Carteret

The Frontières Maritimes in Brittany are:
St Malo
Brest
Roscoff

Although Guernsey Harbours have received no official confirmation of this arrangement, boat owners should consider this whilst route planning in the “No Deal” BREXIT scenario.

 

[Babylon]

So, given that its a very long way from St Malo to Roscoff and I don't sail terribly fast nor can keep going on my own on long passages, does that mean if I prudently sail my British registered yacht from the Needles straight to Alderney, then drop down (via Guernsey of course) to a small harbour on the central North Brittany coast, then I'm at risk of being in the merde? If so, how bad will the merde be?

 

[bobgarrett]

Surely any designated Port of Entry should be suitable e.g. Paimpol.

 

[Bobc]

The following message from the Guernsey Yacht Club may be of general interest.
N.B. It is relevant strictly only for boats from the CI, though you might extrapolate for passages from England to France.

We have been asked to distribute the following message to all members by the Guernsey Harbours Head of Port Operations. (A LNTM will also be issued on Thursday):

In the event of a “No Deal” BREXIT we have been advised that the French Authorities are indicating that visitors to France, arriving from the Channel Islands by sea, will have to initially report to a Frontières Maritimes Port to achieve Customs & Immigration Clearance.
After this they can freely move between other ports on the French Coast, including to marinas that are not designated Frontières Martimes.

The Frontières Maritimes in Normandy are:
Cherbourg
Granville
Carteret

The Frontières Maritimes in Brittany are:
St Malo
Brest
Roscoff

Although Guernsey Harbours have received no official confirmation of this arrangement, boat owners should consider this whilst route planning in the “No Deal” BREXIT scenario.

I wonder how that will work with the Tour de Ports.

I guess like everything else in France, with a Gallic shrug.

 

[Seven Spades]

Very odd because the Channel Islands were never in the EU.

 

[guernseyman]

Very odd because the Channel Islands were never in the EU.

Correct. However, we have a relationship with the EU.
The formal relationship is set out in Protocol 3 of the UK's 1972 Accession.

I agree with posts above suggesting that the proposed arrangement makes no sense in practice.
I know my boat well and suspect it might develop problems somewhere short of one the Frontières Maritimes, compelling me to enter some port of refuge.

 

[Poignard]

Very odd because the Channel Islands were never in the EU.

No but I understand they were designated as Special Member State Territories and, if we leave the EU, they lose that status.

 

[Daydream believer]

I should not worry for a while
We have not left yet & if T May & her bunch of remaining t..ts get their way we never will.

 

[Boathook]

The following message from the Guernsey Yacht Club may be of general interest.
N.B. It is relevant strictly only for boats from the CI, though you might extrapolate for passages from England to France.

We have been asked to distribute the following message to all members by the Guernsey Harbours Head of Port Operations. (A LNTM will also be issued on Thursday):

In the event of a “No Deal” BREXIT we have been advised that the French Authorities are indicating that visitors to France, arriving from the Channel Islands by sea, will have to initially report to a Frontières Maritimes Port to achieve Customs & Immigration Clearance.
After this they can freely move between other ports on the French Coast, including to marinas that are not designated Frontières Martimes.

The Frontières Maritimes in Normandy are:
Cherbourg
Granville
Carteret

The Frontières Maritimes in Brittany are:
St Malo
Brest
Roscoff

Although Guernsey Harbours have received no official confirmation of this arrangement, boat owners should consider this whilst route planning in the “No Deal” BREXIT scenario.

That will upset St Vaast and St Cast along with every other marina / port / harbour that boats go straight to.

 

[LadyInBed]

It will be interesting if a boat from UK clocks in at Cherbourg then stops off at St PP on the way to Paimpol.

 

[Roberto]

I tried to look in French regulations for the kind of administrative privileges those places have in common, I could not find them.
They are not the only Quartiers Maritimes in the area, they are not the only Douanes Office Stations either.

 

[rotrax]

It has been announced today that British Passport holders will have Visa free entry to the EU for up to 90 days.

This may have some bearing on the above.

 

[zoidberg]

I'm reminded that two can play at that game...

Here's a list of Designated UK Ports of Entry ( DPEs )

Belfast
Belfast City Council
Bristol
Dard (feed)
Doncaster
Dover
East Midlands
Felixstowe
Gatwick
Grimsby
Harwich
Heathrow
Hull
Liverpool
London Gateway
London Thamesport
London Tilbury
London Sheerness
Manchester
Portsmouth
Southampton
Stansted
Teesport
Tyne

That appears to relate to anything related to animal produce. There's another, shorter and different, list for vegetable products. I imagine the owners of Brittany Ferries would not be at all amused to find their flagship ferries re-routed via Southampton, rather than their normal Plymouth.

 

[Daydream believer]

I'm reminded that two can play at that game...

Here's a list of Designated UK Ports of Entry ( DPEs )

Belfast
Belfast City Council
Bristol
Dard (feed)
Doncaster
Dover
East Midlands
Felixstowe
Gatwick
Grimsby
Harwich
Heathrow
Hull
Liverpool
London Gateway
London Thamesport
London Tilbury
London Sheerness
Manchester
Portsmouth
Southampton
Stansted
Teesport
Tyne

That appears to relate to anything related to animal produce. There's another, shorter and different, list for vegetable products. I imagine the owners of Brittany Ferries would not be at all amused to find their flagship ferries re-routed via Southampton, rather than their normal Plymouth.

So that might suggest that the mob that were supposed to have a ferry contract (without any ferries) would not have been able to come to Ramsgate anyway (Unless the ferries were loaded with carrots, spuds & MPs with their zero IQs )

 

[awol]

Scotland doesn't seem to have any ports?

 

[[70521]]

So that might suggest that the mob that were supposed to have a ferry contract (without any ferries) would not have been able to come to Ramsgate anyway (Unless the ferries were loaded with carrots, spuds & MPs with their zero IQs )

And Brittany Ferries can't use Plymouth. Well at least we got a shiny new car park out of it.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Scotland doesn't seem to have any ports?

There are lots of different lists and sublists of designated ports of entry, all relating - as far as I can see - to food standards and environmental health inspections. So, for example, you can land apricots in Avonmouth but not Poole, Forestry products in Poole but not Aberdeem, fish in Aberdeen but not Tilbury and so on.

 

[Sybarite]

I'm reminded that two can play at that game...

Here's a list of Designated UK Ports of Entry ( DPEs )

Belfast
Belfast City Council
Bristol
Dard (feed)
Doncaster
Dover
East Midlands
Felixstowe
Gatwick
Grimsby
Harwich
Heathrow
Hull
Liverpool
London Gateway
London Thamesport
London Tilbury
London Sheerness
Manchester
Portsmouth
Southampton
Stansted
Teesport
Tyne

That appears to relate to anything related to animal produce. There's another, shorter and different, list for vegetable products. I imagine the owners of Brittany Ferries would not be at all amused to find their flagship ferries re-routed via Southampton, rather than their normal Plymouth.

I wonder what the treatment would be if I arrive directly at St Mary's, Scilly, with a French registered and flagged boat but me with a British passport?

 

[rotrax]

I wonder what the treatment would be if I arrive directly at St Mary's, Scilly, with a French registered and flagged boat but me with a British passport?

I suspect a couple of simple questions to find out why you are in a French registered vessel. Could be many reasons.

I turned up at the Czech border once driving a French Speedway Riders car, with a British passenger. So, two Brits and a French car. I told them we were collecting the owner at Prague airport the following day.

No bother at all.

 

[Topcat47]

Rather ****s up my passage planning where I use St Vaast as my back-up destination when aiming for the Cherbourg peninsula.