Victron Energy - a tale of woe.

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Warning - what follows is a very long post so ignore or go make a cup of tea before you start reading :p

I bought 2 Victron 100/30 MPPT controllers last year and both were working fine until I noticed in December that one of them had lost Bluetooth connectivity. I posted a thread about it at the time
Victron Connect App
I also posted on the Victron community site and an expert from Victron advised it was a hardware rather than a software problem and to return it to the retailer under guarantee. I did that and so commenceth my tale of woe.

The retailer messed around for a few weeks citing end of year pressures, new year holidays etc as excuses but eventually in mid January said he’d checked the unit and it was fully working and he’d return it. Rather than argue I said great can you just send me a screenshot showing it connected to the Victron Direct app. More messing, more excuses and more time wasting and eventually he said on further checking it was failing intermittently. He said he’d contact the distributor and return it to them under guarantee. The distributor is in Adana which was one of the cities affected by the 06 February earthquakes. So more delays, albeit this time understandable and unavoidable. Eventually we established contact with the distributor and he cast doubt on the provenance of the controller. He maintained it was not a unit supplied by him to the retailer in question and said there was no record of that serial number having been sold by Victron in Türkiye. He said it was not covered under guarantee and he was returning the unit to the retailer in Ankara. At this stage my lawyer was involved and in contact with both the retailer and distributor but getting nowhere and said we’d need to go to court. It was clear by now there was some serious issue between the distributor and the retailer and no love lost.

Last week after a bit of googling I found an email address for Victron head office. I told my story and got an email from the Victron sales manager in Türkiye telling me the retailer was not a trustworthy company and asking me to furnish serial numbers, photos etc of the two units I bought. I sent them. I got an email from the distributor saying they had checked the unit and it was NOT one supplied by them to the retailer but following communication from the Victron sales manager they had requested the retailer to resubmit it to them for further assessment. They also confirmed the retailer had been an authorised reseller but they were in dispute with him now and he was no longer authorised. This was followed by an email from the Victron sales manager confirming not only were my two units genuine but that they had, despite his denial, been supplied by the distributor to the retailer.

So where are we at today? The retailer says he sent the unit to the distributor by courier last week and what more can he do. The distributor says he hasn’t received it and can do nothing until he does - conveniently ignoring the fact he had it in his possession previously and took delight in denouncing it as irregular and unregistered in Türkiye. I get the impression the Victron sales manager is regretting ever getting involved and hoping the whole thing will go away.

Me? I’m still down one controller after 3 months and getting nowhere fast.
 
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Warning - what follows is a very long post so ignore or go make a cup of tea before you start reading :p

I bought 2 Victron 100/30 MPPT controllers last year and both were working fine until I noticed in December that one of them had lost Bluetooth connectivity. I posted a thread about it at the time
Victron Connect App
I also posted on the Victron community site and an expert from Victron advised it was a hardware rather than a software problem and to return it to the retailer under guarantee. I did that and so commenceth my tale of woe.

The retailer messed around for a few weeks citing end of year pressures, new year holidays etc as excuses but eventually in mid January said he’d checked the unit and it was fully working and he’d return it. Rather than argue I said great can you just send me a screenshot showing it connected to the Victron Direct app. More messing, more excuses and more time wasting and eventually he said on further checking it was failing intermittently. He said he’d contact the distributor and return it to them under guarantee. The distributor is in Adana which was one of the cities affected by the 06 February earthquakes. So more delays, albeit this time understandable and unavailable. Eventually we established contact with the distributor and he cast doubt on the provenance of the controller. He maintained it was not a unit supplied by him to the retailer in question and said there was no record of that serial number having been sold by Victron in Türkiye. He said it was not covered under guarantee and he was returning the unit to the retailer in Ankara. At this stage my lawyer was involved and in contact with both the retailer and distributor but getting nowhere and said we’d need to go to court. It was clear by now there was some serious issue between the distributor and the retailer and no love lost.

Last week after a bit of googling I found an email address for Victron head office. I told my story and got an email from the Victron sales manager in Türkiye telling me the retailer was not a trustworthy company and asking me to furnish serial numbers, photos etc of the two units I bought. I sent them. I got an email from the distributor saying they had checked the unit and it was NOT one supplied by them to the retailer but following communication from the Victron sales manager they had requested the retailer to resubmit it to them for further assessment. They also confirmed the retailer had been an authorised reseller but they were in dispute with him now and he was no longer authorised. This was followed by an email from the Victron sales manager confirming not only were my two units genuine but that they had, despite his denial, been supplied by the distributor to the retailer.

So where are we at today? The retailer says he sent the unit to the distributor by courier last week and what more can he do. The distributor says he hasn’t received it and can do nothing until he does - conveniently ignoring the fact he had it in his possession previously and took delight in denouncing it as irregular and unregistered in Türkiye. I get the impression the Victron sales manager is regretting ever getting involved and hoping the whole thing will go away.

Me? I’m still down one controller after 3 months and getting nowhere fast.
Get your solicitor to contact Victron directly. The problem between distributor and retailer should not be your issue. Victron should do the right thing under the circumstances and send you a new controller
 

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I wonder if you should "involve" the NL main offices as well...
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That's who I thought I was emailing but the reply came from the Sales Manager for Türkiye so I guess they kicked it to him. If any one has a contact for head office in the Nederlands I'd certainly be interested in getting it.
 

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That's where I sent my first email and got the reply from Türkiye.

I'd still make them aware of this thread.

Victron get an awful lot of positive comments on these forums, it would be a shame for that to be tarnished by one dealer and/or retailer.

I would add, i fit a lot of Victron equipment and almost never have a problem. The odd time that i have, my supplying distributors have sorted it without quibble.
 

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Matthijs Vader is Victron CEO and VERY (amazingly so for a CEO tbh!) active in the All Posts - Victron Community
Other victron employees online there. I understand it's dealing with bugs, new features and the open source part of the s/w of the projects, but have been more than helpful.
Maybe a polite nudge there as well.
I had a similar issue with Garmin which also is receiving lots of positive comments here. Being in GR I sent the email to the wherever is the main office in EU (don't even remember now!) and I got the next day a reply in greek from the Athens dealer. OK, they were fine, took the AIS to them and wiped the MMSI, no problem, so I think all these big companies fwd them directly to the respective region/country main dealer.
good luck as it seems you'll need it!

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Matthijs Vader is Victron CEO and VERY (amazingly so for a CEO tbh!) active in the All Posts - Victron Community
Other victron employees online there. I understand it's dealing with bugs, new features and the open source part of the s/w of the projects, but have been more than helpful.
Maybe a polite nudge there as well.
I had a similar issue with Garmin which also is receiving lots of positive comments here. Being in GR I sent the email to the wherever is the main office in EU (don't even remember now!) and I got the next day a reply in greek from the Athens dealer. OK, they were fine, took the AIS to them and wiped the MMSI, no problem, so I think all these big companies fwd them directly to the respective region/country main dealer.
good luck as it seems you'll need it!

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Thanks. I posted about this a couple of times on the Victron Community and I've now updated my most recent thread
After sales who can help - Victron Community
 
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I'd still make them aware of this thread.

Victron get an awful lot of positive comments on these forums, it would be a shame for that to be tarnished by one dealer and/or retailer.

I would add, i fit a lot of Victron equipment and almost never have a problem. The odd time that i have, my supplying distributors have sorted it without quibble.
Thanks Paul. I've emailed the Türkiye manager again this evening and I'll afford him the courtesy of an opportunity to respond. As you say Victron is a top brand and top product and I've almost never seen a negative comment. I think I'm just caught in the middle of a pissing contest here between the local distributor and retailer who've fallen out for whatever reason.
 

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Matthijs Vader is Victron CEO and VERY (amazingly so for a CEO tbh!) active in the All Posts - Victron Community
Other victron employees online there. I understand it's dealing with bugs, new features and the open source part of the s/w of the projects, but have been more than helpful.
Maybe a polite nudge there as well.
I had a similar issue with Garmin which also is receiving lots of positive comments here. Being in GR I sent the email to the wherever is the main office in EU (don't even remember now!) and I got the next day a reply in greek from the Athens dealer. OK, they were fine, took the AIS to them and wiped the MMSI, no problem, so I think all these big companies fwd them directly to the respective region/country main dealer.
good luck as it seems you'll need it!

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Matthijs Vader did indeed respond to my most recent post on the Victron Community website and I received an email from the Türkiye manager saying he'd call me today. This is certainly more in keeping with the response I'd expect from a company like Victron. I'll update later.
 

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Seamus, relax bud you've won! don't beat the s**t out of him you might have to deal with him again in the future........ deep breath....exhale and relax!
 

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While the distributor is in a ‘helpful’ mood, give him the other unit for replacement. No use waiting until it goes bad because by then the distributor might have had enough of you
 

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While the distributor is in a ‘helpful’ mood, give him the other unit for replacement. No use waiting until it goes bad because by then the distributor might have had enough of you
The other unit is working fine and I have no problem with it. Despite what he says I'm satisfied both units were 100% genuine and supplied by him to the retailer. In any event if something does go wrong in the future I'm confident Victron will look after me, with or without the involvement of the distributor. I believe he has been told to pull in his horns and leave well enough alone.
My replacement unit is on the way.
 

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I'm heading off in a few weeks on a circumnavigation and recently changed my perfectly good 3kw inverter that had worked flawlessly for 2 years (24/7 with electric galley etc) for a new Victron Multiplus 3kw solely because I hoped that if it needed parts or had issues I would benefit from the worldwide network and the reputation of Victron. I think the end result you have, shows that it was worth the cost for that peace of mind.
 
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