VHF: what gets on your nerves?

[Twister_Ken]

Re: Bloody contstant Radio checks

If you have a h/h as well as a main set you can do your own radio checks. On one watt, please. And a ship2ship channel.

 

[StugeronSteve]

Carrier signals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LymingtonPugwash]

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For the RN (all military) - "Roger" means "understood"

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Playing with Helos in the Fleet Air Arm in the early 70's it only took a few months to learn the FAA special equivalent of 'Roger' - "Okay... fine.... super"....... After all, 'Roger' is used by all sorts and we were The Senior Service after all! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
My goodness, I cringe now when I think back to how arrogant we were! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[Sixpence]

it's only when you get caught out on the wrong side of a communications cockup that you appreciate the reasons for procedures , if a transmission is misunderstood it can be quite scary

 

[Andrew_Fanner]

Re: Bloody contstant Radio checks

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It worked last time you switched it off - why would it not work next time you switch it on?


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So did your computer which, on the whole, is not a safety device...

 

[gfbalduc]

What I hate most during long, boring night passages, are the idiots talking incessantly on CH16 for hours and hours!

Some keep their mike in front of their radio and broadcast the most improbable arabic music for hours, others keep repeating the same noises or sentences over and over and...

A particularly obnoxious one I dubbed "Filippino Monkey" from his lythany: "filippino mooonkeyyy...no mama, no papa, only bananas...filiipiiiinooo mooonkeyyyyy".

I assure you, after three hours like that, you dream of torpedoing the damn idiot!

..and he must be a sailor on a ship, because I heard him in the Med as well as in the Atlantic (unless he got imitators!...).

Especially in the Med, this chatter at night is almost constant: probably mostly bored fishermen, they especially love it when someone else blows the lid and starts answering and insulting them! (to no effect whatsoever, of course)

 

[sailorman]

Re: Bloody constant Radio checks

Alcoholics Anon for the car /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif you need to get out more /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[HoratioHB]

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For the RN (all military) - "Roger" means "understood"

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Playing with Helos in the Fleet Air Arm in the early 70's it only took a few months to learn the FAA special equivalent of 'Roger' - "Okay... fine.... super"....... After all, 'Roger' is used by all sorts and we were The Senior Service after all! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
My goodness, I cringe now when I think back to how arrogant we were! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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funny so was I - flying that is and I don't remember this. I do remember when they tried to ban the use of 'roger', saying we should just repat our callsign to acknowledge a call. So we had a Roger revolution and ignored the instruction - passive resistance works every time! As for what irks me on VHF I'm afraid its that DSC again. I would like to shake whoever came up with the idea warmly by the throat next time the alarm goes off at 0400!

 

[LymingtonPugwash]

[/ QUOTE ]funny so was I - flying that is and I don't remember this. I do remember when they tried to ban the use of 'roger', saying we should just repat our callsign to acknowledge a call. So we had a Roger revolution and ignored the instruction - passive resistance works every time! As for what irks me on VHF I'm afraid its that DSC again. I would like to shake whoever came up with the idea warmly by the throat next time the alarm goes off at 0400!

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Horatio.... 706 sqn Culdrose..... yourself?
Can't believe that you wouldn't remember "okay, fine, super"! It took me years after I left to shake it off and will always remember the embarassment of my first job in industry when half the chaps in the factory would go around saying "okay, fine, super"! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I didn't realise how much I said it up until then! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Major Catastrophe]

You surprise me Guapa, being a military man, thinking that Over and Out is an Americanism. To me it is normal radio procedure drummed into me over 22 years of (British army) use.

Most of you rant about uncontrolled usage of the frequencies and then complain about the procedure that is laid down to bring discipline to the airwaves. Over and Out is specifically useful to a busy net as it tells everyone on the net whether a particular converstation is ongoing or has ended. Not only that, but appliance of radio procedure makes most people using the net exercise brevity because of the rigid constraints of the language. People who don't use radio procedure tend to ramble and take twice as long over a message.

I am particularily reminded of the American who was instructing me on the usage of a US Army radio net. "We exercise brevity in all transmissions by the use of of short words to convey meaning." He then talked for ten minutes about them using 'Afirmative' and 'Negative' instead of 'Yes' and 'No'. Two unnecessarily long words that would have seen me doing a month of duty officer if caught using them on my battalion net.

Either follow radio procedure or stop whingeing about all the talk..

 

[sailorman]

[I would like to shake whoever came up with the idea warmly by the throat next time the alarm goes off at 0400!]


i have never been woken by DSC alarms whilst on board /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[Poignard]

Another thing is people who say "Nothing heard"

 

[gandy]

Why not just "Out"

 

[peterb26]

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Another thing is people who say "Nothing heard"

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As far as I can remember, it is correct radio procedure if you call another station and hear no reply.

 

[peterb26]

I'll join the list of those who get wound up by "over and out".

Regardless of military usage - the proword "over" demands a reply.

The proword "out" demands that the other station does not reply.

Hence - pretty stupid!

 

[AlJones]

I agree,

As far as I remember 'nothing heard' is correct.

If you are being received by the other station, and he attempts to answer you are actually saying that either he has a transmitting problem, or you have a receiving problem.

My other gripe is the 'please' and 'thank you' brigade.

Get in, say what you need, then get out, and let others use the channel. If you are needing to 'discus' anything go to a working channel.

All IMO, and how I use comms.

Al.

 

[Koeketiene]

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As far as I remember 'nothing heard' is correct.



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It is

 

[Sixpence]

I have been known to use the ' thank you ' phrase /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif , usually sarcastically after being kept waiting for clearance because some numpty has forgotten my request , so when I've reminded them and get clearance they get a sarcastic ' thank you , out ' . Usually makes them concentrate a bit more /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Cruiser2B]

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You won't hear 'Over' or 'Out' from the pros either and both words should be struck from your VHF vocabulary at the earliest opportunity

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Disagree entirely. Although I'll concede that "pro's" fall into 2 categories: the military, who are fanatical about radio procedure; and commercial who tend to abridge their procedure excessively, though it does make for wonderfully brief and concise calls. Unfortunately the VTS guys and gals veer to the latter type. As someone who listens to VHF as part of Rule 5 Lookout, I can't stand it when I've missed the name of a vessel on initial call to VTS, and it's not repeated at all by the vessel itself, nor VTS - especially if passing arrangements will be required sometime hence. Surely there must be some happy medium.

 

[Guest]

I thought "over and out" meant OVER to you but I have pulled the plug OUT so you can have the last word but I will never hear it! Just kind of rude!

On the SSB we use "clear" at the end.

The worst offence on a VHF is the foreign language problem. When the channel is in use the English boats will always just speak over them as though they do not exist.

The other one is when moving to a ship-to-ship channel no one ever listens first to see if it is in use.