VHF Licence

Have just recieved email from Ofcom, with latest statement on Ships radio licenses.

To quote "
Lifetime Ships' radio licensing
1.1 Subsequent to a consultation on a proposal to reform ship radio licensing in February 2005, Ofcom issued a Policy statement on 8 December 2005 outlining among other things, the changes we intend to make to Ship Radio Licences and Ship Portable Radio Licences (the “licences”).

1.2 This document contains the revised licences for information purposes.

1.3 Ofcom plans to introduce these new licences on 1 October 2006(-1-).

1.4 Ofcom will send by post these new licences, 6 weeks before the date when the old licences are due to expire but only to those licensees whose old licences expire on or after 1 October 2006(-1-). Any licences which expire before this date must be renewed with the RLC and will not be replaced with the new licence at that time.

Section 2 - Background
Reform of Ships’ radio licensing
2.1 The Ships’ Radio Licensing Policy statement was published on 8 December 2005 . The Policy statement set out a number of changes that would be introduced to reform ships’ radio licensing:

To issue ‘lifetime’ ship radio licences which shall remain valid for as long as the licence details remain correct or until such time as the licence is either revoked by Ofcom or surrendered by the licensee. There shall be no end date on a ship radio licence. Such licences shall be personal to the licensee (whether individual or corporate) and will not be transferable (for example upon the sale of the vessel).
To issue ‘lifetime’ ship portable radio licences which shall remain valid for as long as the licence details remain correct or until such time as the licence is either revoked by Ofcom or surrendered by the licensee. There shall be no end date on a ship portable radio licence. Such licences shall be personal to the licensee (whether individual or corporate) and will not be transferable (for example upon the sale of the ships’ portable radio equipment).
To provide an online, web-based, self-service licensing service as an alternative to the postal service;
To issue electronic licences (probably PDF® documents) to users of the online, web-based, self-service licensing service free of charge. The licensee would then print a hard copy of the licence which must be kept on board the vessel;
To continue to make paper licences available (but subject to an administrative charge);
To modify the original proposal by requiring licensees to confirm their licence details at least once every ten years in order to maintain their lifetime licence;
To dispense with the licence disc.
2.2 It is necessary to make some amendments to the form of the licences in order to implement these changes.

2.3 Currently, the combination of the licence validation document together with the Licence Terms Booklet forms the licence.

2.4 In order to simplify the licence and the licensing process, the separate validation document and the Licence Terms Booklet will be replaced with a single licence document.

2.5 To further simplify the licensing process, a single template has been produced for the licences, with separate schedules containing the terms that specifically relate to either a Ship Radio or a Ship Portable Radio.

Improving clarity of the licences
2.6 We have taken the opportunity to review the terms of the licences to ensure that they are consistent with the current legal and regulatory requirements.

2.7 This review has incorporated the relevant elements described in 2.1 above such as the need for confirming licence details every ten years and dispensing with the requirement for the display of the licence disc.

2.8 We have also taken the opportunity to clarify elements of the licence such as the requirements in respect of the operator certificate, and have also aligned the frequency schedules to align with the ITU designations. A further clarification has been made in respect of the Ship Portable Radio licence only applying in UK territorial waters.

2.9 The format of the licence is given in Section 3 of the full document available below:

Footnotes:
1.- This date may be subject to change "
 
I have not been through that word by word but it seems to be a regurgitation of parts of the Policy document issued in Dec 05. The only thing I have noticed is the footnote stating that the date may change. Is there anything else significant that I have missed?

You never know the date may be brought forward!
 
Their call sign and MMSI may be allocated to another vessel, bit of a bummer if you radio squawks every time Dover attempt to communicate with a ferry!

It is a possibility!

I would be livid if someone was using my MMSI because they decided to save some pennies.
 
yes understood, my red letter is still on the dining room table! I have four weeks left to pay.

But the first part, what if I don't pay, stands, you may lose your call sign and MMSI.

And I guess EPIRB details if you consistently don't cough up.
 
Dunno if you've heard it round your way, but I've heard a lot of yacht-to-Coastguard calls where they've been asked for the vessel's callsign. Is this normal practice? Certainly you can hear many of the yachts aren't expecting this, and have to go and look it out.

Could they be checking up on current licences?
 
Re: VHF Licence - I would differ on that ...

The Ofcom site in itself does not make is as clear as one would hope .... as I found alterations have occurred ... and some of the text is not exactly clear and unambiguous ...

The matter of fee or no fee for lapsed licences is a very good example .... and it's no good quoting a part of or even a page from the site - cause other pages can have differing text ....

The whole site is poor in answering the questions. Typical Govt style ..... answer but don't answer ...............

We will find out on Oct. 1st.

Me - I was happy in thought that Licence went past the proposed Oct 1. date .... not so .... on renewal they made an error and passed all back to me for re-application - so \I assumed date of expiry was from re-application based ... nope !! They worked from original date and therefore I am a Sept. expiry as well ... seems Ofcom can have the cake and eat it ....


Now when I had to re-apply for UK Driving Licence some years ago ... there was an error on that and didn't issue - I had been stopped while waiting for licence to be sent to me ... But they dated from the re-application - not the original .... I ended up paying a Court imposed fine .... for lack of licence over those few days ...
So works for one - not the other ....
 
Re: VHF Licence - I would differ on that ...

Compared to the cost for the rest of boating, I think £20 is just a drop in the ocean.... don't the rest of you??? Why bother arguing and the potential loss of callsign/MMSI... that will cost in the end to have the VHF reprogrammed with a new MMSI, and I'm sure it will be more than £20.....
 
Re: VHF Licence - I would differ on that ...

I still haven't seen it said anywhere on the site that there will be any charge for online applications or renewals.

I will let mine lapse on the 27th September, take the radio off the boat and let them have the winter to decide what they are doing. I can never remember what my callsign is anyway, so I'm not bothered if I get a different one next year.

I can see it all going the same way as dog licences and cb licences, so many people won't bother, there will be no enforcement and they will give up. It's a lot of fuss for something that has been going out of control for years anyway.
 
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well if you don't pay, yes you will stand to lose your call sign and mmsi. Stands to reason. So if you want to keep them, pay. Simple really

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I am not sure that the call sign really matters??? When do you guys in the UK ever use it? On my last boat because I was out of UK waters I stopped paying my VHF licence fee (on the incorrect advice of the previous agency) and it really had no repercussions I could see. Occasionally I was asked on some 'entry form' for it along with lots of other stuff and I just filled in the old call sign... I did have occasion to speak to some military and cc services and in every case I just used the boat name... even a Pan Pan Medico I used the boat name and call sign but after contact just the boat name was used... so what I am asking is what use at all is a call sign??

Michael
 
Re: VHF Licence - I would differ on that ...

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I still haven't seen it said anywhere on the site that there will be any charge for online applications or renewals

[/ QUOTE ] On the contrary they say there will be no charge for on line applications. There will be no such thing as on line renewals because once issued they are valid for life.
 
Re: VHF Licence - I would differ on that ...

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I still haven't seen it said anywhere on the site that there will be any charge for online applications or renewals

[/ QUOTE ] On the contrary they say there will be no charge for on line applications.

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That was my point - there seems to be a belief amongst some people that there would be a charge for a new application, even if done on line - it is mentioned in some posts on this thread in fact.

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There will be no such thing as on line renewals because once issued they are valid for life.

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By renewals, I meant those who have an existing licence that runs out after October. They will have to be renewed to obtain one of the new style licences. Also there is mention of "confirming" details every ten years and the licence lapses if you change boat so you will need to re apply for a new licence.
 
Re: VHF Licence - I would differ on that ...

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By renewals, I meant those who have an existing licence that runs out after October. They will have to be renewed to obtain one of the new style licences.

[/ QUOTE ] Those of us in this position will receive a new lifetime licence six weeks before expiry. No action is required and no fee will be charged. Pretty good I call that!
 
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