Javelin
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I think No Way Back must of left his foils behind and I guess, given his boat name, he can't go and get them.
Vendée Globe 2016-2017
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His tracker has a wind display, it shows that there should be stronger winds further east tomorrow.
Hugo Boss, Safran, Banque Populaire amongst others are foilers.
Ric
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Hugo Boss has different foil design to the rest of the foilers, so his polars are different to all the other boats in the fleet. He will probably make a lot of other unorthodox routing decisions as the race unfolds.
The foilers are:
Jérémie Beyou (Maître Coq)
Armel Le Cléac’h (Banque populaire)
Jean-Pierre Dick (Saint-Michel-Virbac)
Pieter Heerema (No Way Back)
Sébastien Josse (Edmond de Rothschild)
Morgan Lagravière (Safran)
Alex Thomson (Hugo Boss)
BigJoe
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Hugo Boss up to second, he went far to the east, where the wind seems to be.
Can follow it here, with wind Etc................................ http://tracking2016.vendeeglobe.org/hp5ip0/
Can follow it here, with wind Etc................................ http://tracking2016.vendeeglobe.org/hp5ip0/
Seven Spades
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Why is there inly one British entry? In the past we have had Mike Golding, Dee Caffari, RKB, Samantha Davies, Jonny Malbon & Brian Thomson. I don't understand why the French can field 21 entries and we have only.
doris
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Despite our success in the Olympics the Great British public just don't get sailing.
Yachts are viewed as 'posh' up market snobby things. There is little mileage for a sponsor unless you are very lucky as Geoff Mulhahy was when he backed Dame Ellen, but then he is a keen sailor. Just think about the adverse publicity is a national treasure got hurt!
We have lots of young talent, just look at the Figaro fleet, but they find it very difficult to find the money for a serious Open 60 campaign.
Better the Beeb does some docudrama with a bearded has been in an old chugalug pottering round the coast!
Andrew E
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As of 11h00 UTC Alex is in the lead by 5.7nm! That routing paid of well.
WhiskeyTownRacer
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Edited your post to reflect on what I'm about to offer.
I might be classed as one of those in the bold highlight. Sailed a little as a child and spent a day on a superyacht during Cowes week ~10 years ago, this is the total extent of my boating experience. (You may ask why I'm even on this forum! I'm learning and gathering information
)I watched our Olympic success avidly, despite not knowing the rules which appear complex to someone with zero knowledge.
As for the Vendée Globe, it has captured my attention this time around so I want to feel involved in the event, what do I get? A daily ~10 minute slot on their webtv thing, and 6 positional updates each 24 hour period. (perhaps there is further coverage I'm unaware of)
I appreciate these machines are complex and weight is a key issue, but my expectation is for significantly more coverage and access. Surely we could have real time tracking? An onboard camera perhaps?
It's entirely possible some of what I have stated is ill informed and would be happy to be set straight, but I hope the message is clear-how am I supposed to be interested (I would prefer captivated) by these guys and the incredible journey they are all attempting with such limited information. Maybe I'm asking too much, but with the way we consume in this online era I find the content to be severely lacking. I hope this doesn't come across as a whine, rather it's intended as the view of someone with a genuine interest, an interest that has a good chance of waning due lack of attachment to the events as they occur.
LePacha
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It's also a cultural difference if I may. French sailors are used to sail solo... There might be something about all of them wanting to be the Skipper, and none of them willing to be crew.
Where in the UK, there is a huge culture of racing, but in teams. Sailors accept perfectly well that you need one skipper, and crew members to do other tasks on the boat.
I really do believe this is an ego thing... If I remember correctly it was on the last Volvo Ocean race where we had a french boat aligned, and it was the first time we made a result. But I can tell you at the times, when reading the interviews, you could really see that the crews (all famous skippers with beautiful nautical CVs) were waiting/hopping for Camas to get it wrong...
Plus the fact that the Vendee Globe is a long effort. Not a lot of people are interested in something that tactical and technical, and you need to make an effort to understand the subtleties, People are more interested in immediate action.
Where in the UK, there is a huge culture of racing, but in teams. Sailors accept perfectly well that you need one skipper, and crew members to do other tasks on the boat.
I really do believe this is an ego thing... If I remember correctly it was on the last Volvo Ocean race where we had a french boat aligned, and it was the first time we made a result. But I can tell you at the times, when reading the interviews, you could really see that the crews (all famous skippers with beautiful nautical CVs) were waiting/hopping for Camas to get it wrong...
Plus the fact that the Vendee Globe is a long effort. Not a lot of people are interested in something that tactical and technical, and you need to make an effort to understand the subtleties, People are more interested in immediate action.
Spyro
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His computer said go that way so he did. It has all the weather, route and polars so it will suggest the best route based on the calculations. all he has to do is say yes.
Allan
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Back in first now. It looks like he's won this little battle. It will be interesting to see what happens when the wind comes back in.
Allan
tudorsailor
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Am I missing something? In the last Vendee Globe we were treated to lots of on board report videos. Sam Davies's reports were particularly good. I am having difficulty finding anything equivalent for this race. Alex Thompson's site has a link to Instagram and Facebook - both of which I avoid. The daily VG news is hardly inspiring unlike the Volvo race
Are the daily reports from Hugo Boss somewhere hidden??
TudorSailor
Are the daily reports from Hugo Boss somewhere hidden??
TudorSailor
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Edited your post to reflect on what I'm about to offer.
I might be classed as one of those in the bold highlight. Sailed a little as a child and spent a day on a superyacht during Cowes week ~10 years ago, this is the total extent of my boating experience. (You may ask why I'm even on this forum! I'm learning and gathering information
I watched our Olympic success avidly, despite not knowing the rules which appear complex to someone with zero knowledge.
As for the Vendée Globe, it has captured my attention this time around so I want to feel involved in the event, what do I get? A daily ~10 minute slot on their webtv thing, and 6 positional updates each 24 hour period. (perhaps there is further coverage I'm unaware of)
I appreciate these machines are complex and weight is a key issue, but my expectation is for significantly more coverage and access. Surely we could have real time tracking? An onboard camera perhaps?
It's entirely possible some of what I have stated is ill informed and would be happy to be set straight, but I hope the message is clear-how am I supposed to be interested (I would prefer captivated) by these guys and the incredible journey they are all attempting with such limited information. Maybe I'm asking too much, but with the way we consume in this online era I find the content to be severely lacking. I hope this doesn't come across as a whine, rather it's intended as the view of someone with a genuine interest, an interest that has a good chance of waning due lack of attachment to the events as they occur.
The coverage does seem to be lacking this time. Those of us who have followed this and other events over decades have different expectations, of course. They and the BOC (as was) and the Whibread (now Volvo) used to consist of a very few reports and a great deal of imagination.
I would say, however, that even if you had a live webcam on each boat, it would be very boring to watch most of the time. You'd see an empty cockpit for half an hour, then a bloke pulling a few ropes for a few minutes, with some big waves in the background. It's very much a strategic and tactical race for us armchair participants. The positional update every few hours, along with some attention to the weather systems works ok for me, as it's often several hours before a change of course or tack, say, is revealed as a good move or not. It's more like chess than racing. As someone else pointed out, we had daily video reports from the boats last time, and during the last Volvo, so it could be better.
Have you been following the America's cup series? That's much more immediate.
Allan
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The race HQ in Paris opens today. Possibly the coverage so far has been an interim effort while they move?
Allan
Allan
BigJoe
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I assume that all the other boats have the same information, but most decided not to turn east, where the wind seems to be.
WhiskeyTownRacer
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Thanks for this info.
I agree that a live cam on each boat would be borderline useless in isolation, was thinking more along the lines of footage being captured for later broadcast paired with insightful commentary.
I've followed the America's Cup a little in the past, with far less interest than the Vendée has for me right now, but will make an effort to check it out.
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It looks like they're in for a couple of days of light winds, but the Tradewinds look healthy further south. East of the Azores looks good at the moment.
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That would be good, though in my experience 'insightful commentary' is rare in the sailing world!
Spyro
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They don't all have the same polars though. Even among the foiling boats there will be differences
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Allan
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According to the commentary on Sunday Hugo Boss has different polars to the other foilers. From the tracks on the website it seems that all the foiling boats have a larger gybe angle than the non-foilers. Most seem to be about 90deg.
Allan
Allan