Use of the word "Wild"

Robert Wilson said:
The general acceptance hereabouts is that any activity carried-out in the great outdoors is now a "wild" event/pass-time.
So is "wild sex" only possible outdoors, or is it more to do with frenetic movement?
Just askin', 'cos if the former, I think I had wild sex back in the '60s :confused:
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Pretty much nails it - I suppose if you have a campervan and parked it in a lay-by then you could be wild campervanning - add a quick step-over leg lock and perhaps the wild sex issue has been covered. We would really need to know more in order to help you with your confusion over the wild sex business. There are a number of key issues to be addressed, I believe - clearly what, when how and who spring to mind but then we'd need to get down to the gritty of how 'wild' might be defined and whether it applies in this instance - I didn't mean to imply that it only lasted an instance - apologies for my rather clumsy terminology....
 
claymore said:
Pretty much nails it - I suppose if you have a campervan and parked it in a lay-by then you could be wild campervanning - add a quick step-over leg lock and perhaps the wild sex issue has been covered. We would really need to know more in order to help you with your confusion over the wild sex business. There are a number of key issues to be addressed, I believe - clearly what, when how and who spring to mind but then we'd need to get down to the gritty of how 'wild' might be defined and whether it applies in this instance - I didn't mean to imply that it only lasted an instance - apologies for my rather clumsy terminology....
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Need photos too... :eek:
 
"Organic" applied to any foodstuff (the only exceptions I can think of are salt and water) is one of the daftest, most ridiculously misused marketing words of our time.

Apart from the above can anyone name another foodstuff that isn't organic? (I'm talking about the true meaning of the word, not the false and invented 'meaning' the marketing have foisted on us.
 
Old Bumbulum said:
"Organic" applied to any foodstuff (the only exceptions I can think of are salt and water) is one of the daftest, most ridiculously misused marketing words of our time.

Apart from the above can anyone name another foodstuff that isn't organic? (I'm talking about the true meaning of the word, not the false and invented 'meaning' the marketing have foisted on us.
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Once again, thanks a flippin bunch capitalism!
Organic food is not a marketing gimmick, but a realisation that contemporary farming is crap. Crap that produces crap food. Organic food, being of better quality, taste and nutrition, commands a superior price. In order to protect consumers from greedy capitalist shysters, the word "Organic" is licensed when used in conjunction with food.

Its your choice of society that has created the need for an extra meaning for the word. It now has that meaning, get used to it.


Aside:
If you all stopped eating crap food there wouldnt need to be special labelling for the superior organic stuff.
 
Robert Wilson said:
The general acceptance hereabouts is that any activity carried-out in the great outdoors is now a "wild" event/pass-time.
So is "wild sex" only possible outdoors, or is it more to do with frenetic movement?
Just askin', 'cos if the former, I think I had wild sex back in the '60s :confused:
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Sex outside can only be called wild once you have mastered the art of avoiding Stingy Nettles on your Bottom while doing the act
once mastering that you can have the title :encouragement:
 
Organic food, being of better quality, taste and nutrition,
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See? The marketing witchcraft's worked on you!
All food except water and salt is organic. It is a specific scientific word with a specific meaning regarding it's chemistry. It has nothig whatsoever to do with the completely unscientific new-age hippie woo-woo you've been taken in by.
And there is no evidence or realistic reason to support the utterly unwarranted assertion quoted above.

Belladonna is, by your definition, 'organic'. How 'good' (another meaningless unscientific word in that context) is that for you? Or snake venom? Or excrement. All 'organic"...

Go figure...
 
Old Bumbulum said:
See? The marketing witchcraft's worked on you!
All food except water and salt is organic. It is a specific scientific word with a specific meaning regarding it's chemistry. It has nothig whatsoever to do with the completely unscientific new-age hippie woo-woo you've been taken in by.
And there is no evidence or realistic reason to support the utterly unwarranted assertion quoted above.

Belladonna is, by your definition, 'organic'. How 'good' (another meaningless unscientific word in that context) is that for you? Or snake venom? Or excrement. All 'organic"...

Go figure...
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The Word Organic for food stuffs is to highlight the fertiliser used in growing that plant and the soil compostion , inorganic compounds are seem as compounds not produced by the plant itself in the process
If we look at Carbon in the cylce organic These organic compounds are generated by cyanobacteria, algae, and higher plants both within the lakes or rivers or externally within the drainage basin and variously imported to the water bodies. These organic carbon-based compounds provide the materials and energy for subsequent metabolism within the ecosystem.

But Inorganic fertiliser and the compound assoiciated with the soil can not be called organic and therefore the food grown in it is not organic if we look at Nitrogen which is an essential element for plant growth and development; however, due to environmental pollution, high nitrate concentrations accumulate in the edible parts of these leafy vegetables, particularly if excessive nitrogen fertilizer has been applied. Consuming these crops can harm human health.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4025000/
Sorry Wife is a Plant ecologist :p
 
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Old Bumbulum said:
See? The marketing witchcraft's worked on you!
All food except water and salt is organic. It is a specific scientific word with a specific meaning regarding it's chemistry. It has nothig whatsoever to do with the completely unscientific new-age hippie woo-woo you've been taken in by.
And there is no evidence or realistic reason to support the utterly unwarranted assertion quoted above.

Belladonna is, by your definition, 'organic'. How 'good' (another meaningless unscientific word in that context) is that for you? Or snake venom? Or excrement. All 'organic"...

Go figure...
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Bollox, and you know it.

I grow the piggin stuff, I know the difference. I suggest that it is not the well established hippy know how that has addled my brain, that it is your brain that is stewing in a man made chemical toxic soup.

So, even on your terms, food that isnt (chemically) organic:
E171 titanium dioxide.
E172 iron oxides and hydroxides
E173 aluminium
E174 silver
E175 gold
E220 sulphur dioxide
..........
 
Muddy32 said:
I have a degree in botany/ecology and so does that make me a Plant ecologist?
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Sorry my Wife is a Dr of Plant and Fresh water Ecology after getting her first class honours degree , and know works for the Scottish Goverment Stirling Univeristy, and the European Fresh water Frame Work directive, in the Process of finshing of 4 papers to submit for pulishing that will change the way fresh water is used around Scotland and potentially worldwide as it is a breakthrough no one has done before.
So sorry I did not mention before :p
Does that make her a plant Ecologist :confused:
What a silly statment
 
Lon nan Gruagach said:
Organic food is not a marketing gimmick, but a realisation that contemporary farming is crap. Crap that produces crap food. Organic food, being of better quality, taste and nutrition, commands a superior price.
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There is not a shred of evidence that "organic" food is nutritionally better than any other. The "taste" aspect holds a little more water, but only because organic farming tends to be less intensive. "Quality" is a pure subjective notion.
 
Old Bumbulum said:
See? The marketing witchcraft's worked on you!
All food except water and salt is organic. It is a specific scientific word with a specific meaning regarding it's chemistry.
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Up to a point. Sure, "organic" has a specific meaning in chemistry, but that doesn't mean it has to have the same meaning everywhere else. Biologists talk about "organic matter", economists have "organic growth", doctors look for "organic disease" and, of course, the Soil Association calls some fertilisers and pesticides "organicTM", perhaps because they contain high levels of woo.
 
JumbleDuck said:
There is not a shred of evidence that "organic" food is nutritionally better than any other. The "taste" aspect holds a little more water, but only because organic farming tends to be less intensive. "Quality" is a pure subjective notion.
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Slightly left field , but there is a wealth of Evidence showing that carcinogenic elements consumed by the Human body can cause cells to become cancerous , Deodrants, soaps , processed foods , smoking , and now the pesticides and inorganic fertillisers,
Although still in early stages of research one needs to ask by putting so many inogranic chemicals into an organic body there might be a reaction . IMHO ofc but there does seem to be a link somewere.
In regards to taste one can tell the diffrence from an organic tomato picked from the vine right away to thosethat sit is a cold storage facility held in Stasis until ready to put out on the shelves :D
 
FlyingGoose said:
Although still in early stages of research one needs to ask by putting so many inogranic chemicals into an organic body there might be a reaction . IMHO ofc but there does seem to be a link somewere.
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So the question arises - how does the body tell the difference between good potassium and nitrate ions from guano and the bad sort from a mine somewhere? And why does it react so badly to the lovely natural toxins produced in, say, rice left out overnight?

In regards to taste one can tell the diffrence from an organic tomato picked from the vine right away to those that sit is a cold storage facility held in Stasis until ready to put out on the shelves :D
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Well, exactly. It's the "picked off the vine" vs "cold storage facility" which makes the difference, not a load of woo about organic-ness.
 
FlyingGoose said:
Slightly left field , but there is a wealth of Evidence showing that carcinogenic elements consumed by the Human body can cause cells to become cancerous , Deodrants, soaps , processed foods , smoking , and now the pesticides and inorganic fertillisers,
Although still in early stages of research one needs to ask by putting so many inogranic chemicals into an organic body there might be a reaction . IMHO ofc but there does seem to be a link somewere.
In regards to taste one can tell the diffrence from an organic tomato picked from the vine right away to thosethat sit is a cold storage facility held in Stasis until ready to put out on the shelves :D
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Given that copper sulphate (sorry; 'Bordeaux mix') is still an approved organic fungicide yet is very inorganic and very highly toxic, I'm not sure that organic agriculture can afford to be too vocal with it's environmental credentials.
There are elements of organic agriculture that are very good and should be more widely adopted by farmers, but there are other elements that are both damaging and dangerous and exist only because of very narrow ideological constraints. In many cases organic chemical treatments are no safer than their conventional counterparts and are very often more environmentally persistent .
A better alternative would be simply to take an evidence based approach to the effects of agricultural production and derive best practice from the results.

I'm sure that you can tell the difference in taste between a freshly picked tomato and one that has been ripened off the vine and put into cold storage. That has nothing to do with whether or not it is certified organic.

If qualifications are important, then I have a PhD in crop genetics and am actively researching in that field.
 
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