Angele
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Maybe because some of those inappropriate boat names aren't immediately obvious and they have to bounce them around the office for a couple of days...
E.g. Ship Faced, Ship for Brains, anything with Mafeking in it, etc.
Unique boat names & Part I Register: How to check?
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Maybe because some of those inappropriate boat names aren't immediately obvious and they have to bounce them around the office for a couple of days...
E.g. Ship Faced, Ship for Brains, anything with Mafeking in it, etc.
DJE
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It took them about 8 weeks to process a change of ownership and issue a new certificate for me last year.
Mistroma
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I said that I really appreciated that fact but it would help to know if I was suggesting a name already in use. The first query simply related to "Mistroma of something or other" a call a few years later was simply to ask if the original "Mistroma" had lapsed in the past year. I said that I realised someone else could apply with that name before my application was processed so didn't need any promise it would be available. I just wanted to know if it was worth putting in a form with that name and no alternatives. I was told that the only way to find out was to fill in the form and include a cheque to see if the name was available.
I'm afraid that they were not able to confirm the existence of any such vessel on their records.
I did look up the ITU database as well but found no record for my old boat. I didn't have a modern VHF on the old boat and I had never applied for an MMSI. I always had the correct paper documentation dating back to 1986. I assume the new owner either let the lic. lapse or changed the boat name.
laika
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Very polite. I should clarify my experiences. 2010 when registering for the first time called twice, first to ask if there was a way to pre-check name availability, secondly to check progress when the registration took longer than expected. On both occasions the people (could actually have been the same woman both times) were abrupt to the point of rudeness.
I didn't have as much of an issue with not getting the info I wanted (if them's the rules, it's probably not the person on the phone's fault) as I did with the manner of communication.
Second experience 2015 (renewal). I had emailed several times to ask if it was really necessary to return my registration before the renewal was issued as that would leave me without a registration document. No reply. Eventually tried phone. They picked up quickly: polite and friendly response that no, I didn't need to return the old certificate. Why they ask for it back if they don't need it or why they ignore some emails are separate questions but this time no fail on the people skills front.
Perhaps it minimises the work they have to do (=cost of the service?) ? By only doing lookups for people who send in cheques and documentation they don't do lookups for timewasters. They also don't have to do a lookup twice for the serious punter (when they phone and again when the form gets sent in)
Sticky Fingers
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Agreed and that's another nail in the coffin. An online service with no direct people costs involved in doing lookups. More self servcie.
prv
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Unless they're poring through leather-bound ledgers (maybe they are?), it's probably quicker to look up a name than to convince a caller that they really are refusing to provide such an obvious and straightforward service
Pete
Mistroma
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Unless they're poring through leather-bound ledgers (maybe they are?), it's probably quicker to look up a name than to convince a caller that they really are refusing to provide such an obvious and straightforward service
Pete
I remember travelling to Portsmouth in 1986 to carry out a check. The guy disappeared into a back room for a while and eventually came back with a large book. I could see piles of dusty leather bound books behind him as he came back. We had a look at the entry and confirmed the absence of any marine mortgage. Even then it was like travelling back in time and quite interesting to see.
Pretty certain it is all stored electronically now, at least for the active registrations. I think that I was told that it was easy to search now but not how they worked. It was better use of their time to spend 5 minutes on the phone explaining why I had to fill in a form and then spend time writing a letter back to return my cheque to let me know the name I wanted was already in use.
BrianH
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I'm sure that is the answer. Just to admit a name is not already on the register makes the enquirer believe his choice will be automatically granted. Then, when it isn't, he may try to argue and protest. With no access to the list of registered names and no reason given for a rejection, it may be already registered and that spikes any complaint.
From the RYA registration guidelines:
"the proposed name should not be similar to a distress signal, likely to cause offence or embarrassment, have a clear connection with the Royal Family, or have a port as part of its name if that is not the boat’s port of choice."
The second point is subjective and innuendo may not be immediately obvious.
Sticky Fingers
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Well, we eventually came up with a shortlist of possible names and from that list the agency has agreed to reserve "Scala". Means nothing in particular, seems to be unoffensive in any language and is short and easy to spell out quickly on the radio. So Scala she will be.
dom
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Two extra letters and you'll have to sing:
La
Sierra
Charlie
Alpha
Lima
Alpha
Charlie
Alpha
Lima
Alpha
in your finest tenor voice
laika
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Never mind opera houses etc, cult cinema fans of a certain age might disagree...
VicS
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It's Latin for "ladder"
The scala tympani, scala vestibuli, and scala media are parts of the ear.
dunedin
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As long as SWMBO doesn't think these brilliant young ladies were the inspiration ..... but makes a good boat theme tune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OpKUZ7T-9Q
Sticky Fingers
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dunedin
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Couldn't possibly comment...
....... apparently because EMI threatened to sue them for use of the name Scala. Have you got a good lawyer :nonchalance:
Sticky Fingers
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That was a choir. I trust that EMI have nothing to do with naming boats...!
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dunedin
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That has a choir. I trust that EMI have nothing to do with naming boats...!
Perhaps the choir (or e-Scala) will come to provide music at the launching ceremony
Seven Spades
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I am going to do a freedom of information request and see if I can obtain a list of part 1 registered boat names.
