PowerYachtBlog
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Canados 72 Mapis M. 
Under way, eventually (a 1200+ Nm cruise around Italy)
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jrudge
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It seems to vary with what you read and who is asking. So the honest answer is I have no idea !
I intend to try and do some research as I would like to make a trip here with the boat and I will publish what I find on another thread so as not to disrupt the flow of this one.
Hurricane
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That triangular stainless steel protection plate and the anchor support/roller does seem familiar.
But she isn't a P67 but bigger and probably of that vintage.
So, I agree either a 23M or a 21M.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Unfortunately that is one irritating aspect of Croatia, especially around the Kornatis which attracts a lot of visiting boats. It seems that authorities sell leases for popular anchorages to local entrepreneurs who then try to fleece visiting boats if they drop their hook. In some places we werent sure whether this was legal or just a scam and like you I often upped the anchor and buggered off if I felt I was being done over. In other anchorages, these guys lay mooring bouys and if you try to anchor they will tell you that it is illegal and you have to tie to one of their buoys but I learnt later that this is also a scam. There are plenty of anchorages where you wont be bothered by this even around the Kornatis and as you head further south there is less and less of this nonsense. I'm afraid that as you approach the Split area you'll find it busier because Split has become a big yacht charter centre over the last few years. One tip. Do not attempt to take on fuel on a Friday in that area because all the fuel docks are packed with charter yachts filling up at the end of their holidays
MapisM
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I'm surprised to read your answer W, because even if it's wrong, I'm sure your guess must be based on the fact that also Canados builds the 72 with a similarly useless anchors setup. What happened to the good Canados of old, I wonder...?Canados 72 Mapis M.
Anyway, Deleted User and Hurric got the brand right, but not the model, so I won't spill the beans yet...
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MapisM
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Many thanks J, it's always a pleasure to have folks familiar with boating onboard.
Also the first mate (aka swmbo) appreciated your help a lot, so far! :encouragement:
Btw, you reminded me that I still owe the forum some pics also of the interior...
Will do after arrival. We need a bit of time to clear the half mess that we still have around!
And this thread is much more about the trip than the boat, anyway.
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Hurricane
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Anyway, Deleted User and Hurric got the brand right, but not the model, so I won't spill the beans yet...
I think I got it wrong with the vintage.
It is that funny fairlead on the point of the bow.
I hadn't noticed it before but both the Princess 82 and the Princess 88 have such a fairlead.
To be fair, though your pic is a bit offset so not easy to pick it up the first time.
This is a pic of the 82
And this is the 88
So, on the basis that she has 2 anchors maybe a Princess 88??
MapisM
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You can say that again. And again.
When we moved to Sardinia back in 2006, after a decade spent cruising this very same neck of the woods, we left with the impression that the fees they charged (in fact, they always did, afaik) were a tad annoying at times, but somewhat reasonable.
The progressive reduction in the cost of the yearly permit for returning boats was also a nice touch, which encouraged people to come back year after year.
Not so now, I'm afraid.
I can already envisage that we will eventually leave the Country with the feeling to have been ripped off, in more ways than one.
Shame really, because even if by now we call CF home and we have no plans to come back here in the future, strictly as a cruising ground the HR Archipelago is second to none, in the Med.
If we were considering to move to a new cruising area now, in spite of all what HR has to offer, I honestly doubt that it would be our choice.
And there must have been several boaters thinking along the same lines lately, because our general sensation is that the place is by far LESS crowded now compared to the late 90s - early naughties.
In fact, not later than this afternoon, funnily we had to move elsewhere from the only bay where so far we found all buoys already taken.
And guess what? In that bay, the buoy fee is the cheapest of the area where we are. Not free, mind, just cheaper.
To put it in perspective, in the bay where all buoys where taken, the price (for a 17m boat) is around €35.
In the other place nearby where we moved afterwards, the same fee is €50, and there are still several left as I'm writing...
Bottom line, take note, Croatian folks:
long gone are the days when boaters didn't mind being ripped off - if those days ever existed, that is.
So, you'd better get your act together, because you can lose tourists faster than it takes to gain them back.
And you can trust me, because as an Italian, I've seen it happening, big time!
MapisM
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Nope, but it's your alternative - P82.
Maybe the twin anchors were a specific owner request, and they came up with that silly solution.
Otoh, I didn't see her deck from above, so it could be that the "upper/internal" anchor was just meant as a spare in case the main one gets lost.
And in this case, the arrangement could make a bit more sense.
Not something I'd be happy with on a boat of that level, anyway... :ambivalence:
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Deleted User YDKXO
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P, I think you should reserve judgement until you've got further south. IIRC charging for anchoring or picking up a buoy only happens around the Zadar area. I dont remember seeing it south of Sibenik. And the charges should be viewed in the overall context of the cost of boating in Croatia. For example you wont see the €300-400/night marina charges that you find at this time of year on the Costa Smerelda, Balearics or some parts of Italy. Yeah its irritating to be fleeced €50-70 for a mooring buoy but in the overall cost of owning and running a boat, its peanuts and its especially peanuts for cruising the best cruising area in the Med I've seen
oceanfroggie
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I think I got it wrong with the vintage.
It is that funny fairlead on the point of the bow.
I hadn't noticed it before but both the Princess 82 and the Princess 88 have such a fairlead.
To be fair, though your pic is a bit offset so not easy to pick it up the first time.
This is a pic of the 82
By any chance does anybody know why so many tie wraps are on the inboard hand rails each side of the sun beds? To keep birds off or something?
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Deleted User YDKXO
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You see that quite a lot in the Med and it is to keep birds off. Not sure if it works
petem
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P, for the record, we're interested in the trip AND your boat!
Portofino
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+1
How the boat running , we are two weeks + in ?
What’s bust, doen,t work , etc ?
How’s the helm position what’s it steer like , what sort of rpm are use doing are the MAN,s behaving ?
MapisM
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Point taken, I will.
I'm not holding my breath though, because also for just about anything else - i.e. restaurants particularly, but also marinas and food shopping - we found the place much more expensive than it used to be.
With no quality improvements to write home about, btw... :ambivalence:
The cruising grounds are still as stunning as they've always been, though.
And everything in life is relative, of course: as I understand, jrudge, being used to the Baldricks, didn't find the place as expensive as we did...
Compromises, as always!
MapisM
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I'd rather stick to the thread title here, but I'll gladly post a more technical thread on the shakedown side of the trip.
Just forgive me for postponing that to when I'll have reached my home berth, for two reasons:
First, atm I'm using my time better at the helm, or swimming and staying with friends, rather than on the pc keyboard.
And secondly, I'll have some more reliable numbers by the end of the trip.
Time being (and with fingers firmly crossed), I can't complain, anyway.
The MANs are a bit more rough than I would like them to be at lowish rpm - up to 1000 or so, which is one of the reasons why I'm not using the boat a lot at D speed. But that's not the only reason: the hull really comes into its own when steadily on the plane, at around 18kts. In fact, I very rarely keep less than 20/22 kts as cruising speed.
And funnily, in the only occasion so far when I tried keeping for one hour or so 26/27 kts @2000 rpm, I went down the e/r with my thermal gun, and some bits like the wet section of the exhaust were running even cooler than anywhere between 1600 and 1800.
The only panic moment so far has been when we pootled around a bay for a while, spinning the boats with the gear levers alone, and when leaving I pushed the throttle levers and port engine struggled to raise its rpm, so I throttled back and jrudge kindly went down the e/r for a first visual check, where he didn't spot anything obviously wrong.
It didn't take long to realize that I forgot to engage the gear lever of stbd engine, and that was the reason why the poor port engine alone was struggling to bring the boat up on the plane...
Jrudge suggested to get myself some electronic throttles as Xmas gift, but I don't think I'll ever will.
Neither that, nor ancam, nor u/w lights. The only things onboard that don't break are those you don't have!
MapisM
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As an aside, ...
...apropos of tonight football match:
I just managed to tune HRT2 channel on the boat TV, so tonight we should be able to watch the match onboard.
This means that jrudge will not be exposed to the obvious danger of watching the match at the marina restaurant, surrounded mostly by Croatians.
But since atm, on top of him, we are a party of 3 Italians and one German (who is actually almost Italian herself), I have a worst case plan.
If by chance someone will remember to have seen a Brit around the marina, and they should approach our boat with bad intentions in case of HR defeat, I'm afraid we'll have no other choices but to throw him to the lions.
Nothing personal, you know, but better him than all of us.
Bottom line, you're all advised folks: you'd better root for HR tonight, if the asylum cares about the risk of losing one valuable contributor....
PS: btw, we are now in Trogir, which in our memories was one of the most lovely Croatian towns, and I'm pleased to confirm that it still is - well worth seeing!
Small, but with a beautiful historical center dating back from the Venice Republic.
The newer marina, called Baotic, is a bit less convenient than I tought for walking to the center - it takes 20mins or so, which under hot sun and along a not so nice road is a bit annoying, but in spite of that, we found out that there is ZERO availability of yearly berths, both here and in the smaller old ACI marina, which is right in the center.
Some pics will follow in due course...
...apropos of tonight football match:
I just managed to tune HRT2 channel on the boat TV, so tonight we should be able to watch the match onboard.
This means that jrudge will not be exposed to the obvious danger of watching the match at the marina restaurant, surrounded mostly by Croatians.
But since atm, on top of him, we are a party of 3 Italians and one German (who is actually almost Italian herself), I have a worst case plan.
If by chance someone will remember to have seen a Brit around the marina, and they should approach our boat with bad intentions in case of HR defeat, I'm afraid we'll have no other choices but to throw him to the lions.
Nothing personal, you know, but better him than all of us.
Bottom line, you're all advised folks: you'd better root for HR tonight, if the asylum cares about the risk of losing one valuable contributor....
PS: btw, we are now in Trogir, which in our memories was one of the most lovely Croatian towns, and I'm pleased to confirm that it still is - well worth seeing!
Small, but with a beautiful historical center dating back from the Venice Republic.
The newer marina, called Baotic, is a bit less convenient than I tought for walking to the center - it takes 20mins or so, which under hot sun and along a not so nice road is a bit annoying, but in spite of that, we found out that there is ZERO availability of yearly berths, both here and in the smaller old ACI marina, which is right in the center.
Some pics will follow in due course...
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jrudge
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Re: As an aside, ...
It seems I am safe but touched at mapism efforts to protect me !
It seems I am safe but touched at mapism efforts to protect me !
vas
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Re: As an aside, ...
you were simply (un)lucky to survive.
Still I believe your best bet was to move to international waters and watch the game there drifting between IT and HR for 3h
Wonder how you're going to survive the final now!
cheers
V.
you were simply (un)lucky to survive.
Still I believe your best bet was to move to international waters and watch the game there drifting between IT and HR for 3h
Wonder how you're going to survive the final now!
cheers
V.
MapisM
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First (miserable) drone attempt...
Ok, I am skeptic that viewing this video will be enough to cheer up the Brit members of the asylum after yesterday evening...
No, wait. Actually, I'm sure it won't.
But I thought that my very first attempt at a drone video from the boat, ugly as it may be, deserved to be called a success and posted in this thread, if nothing else because the thing landed back safely on board!
So, there's at least a chance to see some other stuff, hopefully a bit better, later on.
For the records, the machine is just a small toy called Wingsland S6, worth a hundred bucks or so, WiFi controlled through a smartphone.
Which you might think is a good idea, but actually it's a proper PITA, in practice.
Having in mind how easily the DJI joystick remote allows to move drones around, using a smartphone is a sort of practical joke in comparison.
Anyway, back to business, here's the thing. Freshly shot in a spot along the SW tip of Brac island, very well organized with aligned buoys and stern lines (as you might notice also in the video) to keep boats parked in their spot.
The flip side is that we are more squeezed than you would usually expect in buoys fields, but the bay itself is very nice indeed, and with turquoise clear waters... And being surrounded by yatties means that we are possibly bothering them with our genset, but they aren't bothering us with theirs!
Ok, I am skeptic that viewing this video will be enough to cheer up the Brit members of the asylum after yesterday evening...
No, wait. Actually, I'm sure it won't.
But I thought that my very first attempt at a drone video from the boat, ugly as it may be, deserved to be called a success and posted in this thread, if nothing else because the thing landed back safely on board!
So, there's at least a chance to see some other stuff, hopefully a bit better, later on.
For the records, the machine is just a small toy called Wingsland S6, worth a hundred bucks or so, WiFi controlled through a smartphone.
Which you might think is a good idea, but actually it's a proper PITA, in practice.
Having in mind how easily the DJI joystick remote allows to move drones around, using a smartphone is a sort of practical joke in comparison.
Anyway, back to business, here's the thing. Freshly shot in a spot along the SW tip of Brac island, very well organized with aligned buoys and stern lines (as you might notice also in the video) to keep boats parked in their spot.
The flip side is that we are more squeezed than you would usually expect in buoys fields, but the bay itself is very nice indeed, and with turquoise clear waters... And being surrounded by yatties means that we are possibly bothering them with our genset, but they aren't bothering us with theirs!