UK summer weather - why are we having it?

Well adding to all the the rubbish pumped into the sea June this year North Africa 124Ltrs per sq.mtr. in 24 hrs. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
I'm sure you're right about wind farms. I think because the turbines all spin the same way, the Coriolis force will speed up the earth's rotation and the seasons will all be shorter.
 
Its NOT just Global Warming.

Apologies for the timing of my previous contribution to those who have lost homes and property in the floods of the last 24 hours.

But exceptional and disasterous though it is, there really is nothing new about 'freak' weather. Around 1650 or thereabouts records show it rained non stop for 6 months, Feb to July, for example.

The modern problem is firstly developers who build on known flood plains. Yes, they do, I can show you examples within half a dozen miles of my home. They should be made to provide perpetual indemnity for their greed to everyone who is susbequently flooded out. Watch the TV pictures - a very high percentage of flooded homes are recent build within the last 30 or 40 years or so.

Secondly, we are rapidly covering up the ground with concrete and tarmac. every new car park, patio, 'low maintenance garden', road, factory etc etc increases the amount of surface water that runs off into the drains and rivers instead of soaking naturally into the ground. This means that rivers like the Severn and Avon are receiving more and more surface run off each year, so for a given rainfall rise correspondingly higher. That in turn spills over on to the natural flood plains that any river system has - except some idiot built an estate over them, so thousands more people suffer the devastating misery, disruption and loss of having several feet of dirty water swirling through the living room.
 
Re: Its NOT just Global Warming.

Agree with your points but what maxnitude of event are the developers are meant to iNsure against 1 in 10 year storm or 1 in 100 yr?

At what cost this Insurance many can't afford new houses already.

Lastly its not just impervious surfaces per se thats the problem as this could be solved by putting in more soakaways to get the water into the ground ratyher than a fast run off into rivers.

Developers have only developed on the limited areas of ground they bhave got planning permission for. Now we either need to shoot most of the population or square the circle where we have increasing need for houses yet want to keep UK green and pay farmers to leave farmland unused. You could not make it up!!
 
Re: Its NOT just Global Warming.

A housing 'developement' was built in a river valley which is one of the Downland 'winterbournes' in a neighbouring village. Dry in the summer, a foot or more of water in the winter, and in a bad one 2 or 3 feet. the frist winter happened to be dry, and the new owners admired the nice stream that appeared in their gardens. they were not so impressed the following year when it came up into their new homes.

So who should pay for their loss? If developers use a plot which is known to flood then they should be liable for the misery their greed has caused - every time. The Environment Agency or whoever has clearly defined the high risk areas. If a builder is foolish enough to build there, then he should be made liable for any subsequent loss.

Another local floodplain - which hit the news headlines some years ago in the Chichester floods has since been put up for developement. Only local public outcry at the sheer stupidity of the plan stopped it at the planning stage. Had it been built it would have flooded at least three times since.

It is no good building 30,000 new houses or whatever in a locality, if half of them are located so that the owners risk experiencing the misery and cost of being flooded out.
 
Re: Its NOT just Global Warming.

Aha! knew it - so it was the Dinosaurs that started it. There are in various parts of the world large deposits of trapped methane - obviously fossilised dinosaur wind. Apparently if warmed up this stuff reactivates, and the millions of tons of trapped dinosaur f***s will be released again causing havoc to the weather. Probably what killed them in the first place?

Its true - I saw it on TV!
 
Re: Its NOT just Global Warming.

If you are looking to buy a house and the area has names like "bourne" or "mead(s)" then don't. It is quite simple. Our ancestors didn't like being flooded either.

Bro in law works for one of the big home building firms and actually asked about winterbourne, nobody had any idea what it meant apart from some wag who queried a Christmas reference.
 
Re: Its NOT just Global Warming.

Building on the floodplain? Yes. Then put garages and concrete floored utility rooms at ground level, with the 'real' house starting on the first floor. Sort of like this, but a bit more sophisticated.

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The correct term is actually 'Climate Change'. 'Global Warming' refers to a specific sub-set of the cycle relating to recent increases of sea temperatures in some places.

But as a couple of others have pointed out the effects include warming in some places but cooling in others.
 
Yes but 'Global warming' SOUNDS so much better in the headlines , doesnt it.

Climate change actually has been happening since year dot, and planet Earth has seen much more dramatic and radical changes than anything that is happening at the moment.

Many authorities agree that the developement of 'civilisation' amongst the primate species Homo Insapiens over the last 10k years or so since the last Ice Age is actually the result of a lull in the cycle of climate change which has allowed this particualr species to develop language and technology which has lifted them out of the primeval battle for survival. The basic survival instinct has however re-emerged in a somewhat distorted form by diverting a huge propertion of resources in to finding more and more violent means of destroying all life, in the interests of survival of the fittest of the species. The defintion of 'fittest' now applies to an abstract 'political' prowess rather than any physical attributes.
 
If you think the weather is bad now, wait until the poles reverse!!! That's gonna be fun and it's overdue, the magnetic field is already weakening quite drastically in certain key areas.
This is totally nothing to do with humans in any way!

Was readinga study/report about this, as we use magnetics for drilling and down hole surveying a lot in the oilfield.
 
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If you think the weather is bad now, wait until the poles reverse!!!
This is totally nothing to do with humans in any way!

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They'll still tax us for it and issue Pole Change warnings.

It's bound to be our fault, prolly use of TV and radios and that little U shaped magnet I got in my Christmas stocking in 1964.
 
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>This is totally nothing to do with humans in any way!<

Beg to differ. All those new-fangled compasses are sucking the life out of magnetism.

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So my new plan to chuck the compass o/b, fit a decent plotter and save trees by not getting paper charts and tables is as green as you like. I should be rewarded somehow, perhaps by a reduction in taxation?
 
Anyone with more than a passing interest in the subejct and who hasn't seen An Inconvenient Truth, it's a couple of hours well spent.
 
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If you think the weather is bad now, wait until the poles reverse!!! That's gonna be fun and it's overdue, the magnetic field is already weakening quite drastically in certain key areas.


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Going to annoy the hell out of all those Surrey folk that suddenly find that they are Northerners...... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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