UK Part 1 registration vs SSR UK

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Hello All, under UK flag, are there any significant benefits/s of registering under Part 1 vs SSR? I am about to register a used vessel and will be cruising mainly in the Med then maybe Carribean in 2020.
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SSR
Pro: cheap, simple to obtain, does the job (and no more).
Con: only available to UK residents. Confers no evidence of ownership.

Part 1
Pro: includes evidence of vessels freedom from mortgage and evidence of ownership. Available to UK nationals (and some others) wherever resident. (Used to confer a guarantee of consular assistance, but this mysteriously disappeared some years ago.)
Con: more expensive than SSR per annum; first registration requires a measurement survey, also at some expense.

FWIW, based on comments here over the years, many people buying a boat already on Part 1 seem to choose to maintain it; otherwise, the preference seems to be for SSR.
 
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macd said:
SSR
Pro: cheap, simple to obtain, does the job (and no more).
Con: only available to UK residents. Confers no evidence of ownership.

Part 1
Pro: includes evidence of vessels freedom from mortgage and evidence of ownership. Available to UK nationals (and some others) wherever resident. (Used to confer a guarantee of consular assistance, but this mysteriously disappeared some years ago.)
Con: more expensive than SSR per annum; first registration requires a measurement survey, also at some expense.

FWIW, based on comments here over the years, many people buying a boat already on Part 1 seem to choose to maintain it; otherwise, the preference seems to be for SSR.
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from the back of my part 1 cert:
Important Information
A Certificate of Registry is not proof of ownership.
Details of registered mortgages are not shown.

So evidence but not proof.

I'm non resident and the boat was part 1 when I bought her so a no brainer for me.
 
If you are registering for Part 1 the costs can be significant if you are not in the UK. You need an approved tonnage surveyor reistered with the appropriate UK authority. This is a different qualification to a normal yacht surveyor. From my experience there are not many of these surveyors about so if you need one they may need to travel. The costs mount up.
We had a battle renewing our SSR as we were in Panama when we noticed it had expired. We were told we would need to go to Part 1 registery as we were not resident at the time. This was incorrect. We are ordinarily resident although I havent been back in the UK for a couple of years. After a 3month battle where they had to take legal advice, they accepted that we were ordinarliy resident and we got our £25 SSR renewal. The estimate we had for going Part 1 because of our location was circa £3k. The nearest surveyor was Florida.
 
My part 1 ran out and I Changed to SSR no problems at all , but you must wait for part 1 to expire ,
A bill of sale is evidence that you own the vessel
A UK passport gives you consular assistance
SSR can be used worldwide to show British registration
Hassle free , do it all online
£25 For 5 years

In my opinion , and its only an opinion:D, if Part 1 was needed for small leisure craft they would not have introduced a simpler and less expensive way like the SSR
I will be going abroad on my boat and have been totally reassured by the power's from above that SSR is more than acceptable and will be hassle free.
 
Buck Turgidson said:
from the back of my part 1 cert:
Important Information
A Certificate of Registry is not proof of ownership.
Details of registered mortgages are not shown.

So evidence but not proof.

I'm non resident and the boat was part 1 when I bought her so a no brainer for me.
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“A pedant writes”...

The evidence of title is the Register Book itself, and that is why, when you buy a boat registered on the Part One Register you should always obtain, and reputable broker will always provide without being asked, a recent Transcript of the Register for the boat.

If you think about it, this is obvious - a Certificate of Registry is valid for five years and an owner can mortgage the boat in that time.
 
FlyingGoose said:
In my opinion , and its only an opinion:D, if Part 1 was needed for small leisure craft they would not have introduced a simpler and less expensive way like the SSR
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The SSR was indeed introduced because of the difficulty of many to supply the paper-chain of original ownership provenance required for Part 1 registration. When a more stringent effort was started to try to cut down on dubious SSR applications, the onus was reduced to only five years ownership proof for Part 1 registration. That was when I registered my own Italian-berthed yacht due to my expatriate residence. Yes, it was expensive due to the need for the tonnage survey but at least I had a local, authorized surveyor.
 
geem said:
We had a battle renewing our SSR as we were in Panama when we noticed it had expired. We were told we would need to go to Part 1 registery as we were not resident at the time. This was incorrect. We are ordinarily resident although I havent been back in the UK for a couple of years. After a 3month battle where they had to take legal advice, they accepted that we were ordinarliy resident and we got our £25 SSR renewal.
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I've noted before that the published residence criteria for SSR have changed in the way you describe. It seems as though you may even have been instrumental in that. Well done :encouragement:

(FWIW, entitlement to NHS healthcare has changed in precisely the same way.)
 
>A Certificate of Registry is not proof of ownership.

Part I registration
Register your boat on the Part I register if you want to:
prove you own the boat
prove your boat’s nationality
use the boat as security for a marine mortgage
register a pleasure vessel
get ‘transcripts of registry’, which show the boat’s previous owners and whether there are any outstanding mortgages

Your boat must have a unique name to be registered.

It costs £153 to register for 5 years.
 
Graham376 said:
Any link to changes? An ex forumite was recently refused UK treatment by his GP, told he is no longer entitled although all was OK a year or so ago.
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There is nothing in statute that governs the entitlement of healthcare. I know this as it was discussed by the lawyer the MCA used when I had my battle with them with regard to to renewal of my SSR.
If you have ownership of property in the UK, you have a UK passport, a UK bank account, evidence of pention contributions, family in the UK and tou pay taxes in the UK then you are ordinarily resident unless you have taken residency in another country. If you can present this evidence then there is no way the NHS can withold treatment. If you study the case law that ruled in favour of a lady wanting treatment in the UK( the case that gets referred to in the event of such a dispute) you will see that the lady in question had a tenuous claim to the UK but the law still ruled in her favour. She had nothing like the evidence suggested above. I had to submit this evidence to prove I was ordinarily resident.
This link has lots of info https://www.westsussexconnecttosupp...esidence_practice_guidance_v1.4_sept_2018.pdf
 
Graham376 said:
Any link to changes? An ex forumite was recently refused UK treatment by his GP, told he is no longer entitled although all was OK a year or so ago.
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I daresay geem has answered most of your queries. My comment was based on an eligibility assessment form for NHS staff which cleared showed that ordinary residence was the test. I was unable to find it with a quick search, but will try again later. Found it: https://assets.publishing.service.g..._data/file/736849/Ordinary_residence_tool.pdf

Regardless, there should be no dispute about this. From https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-entitlements-migrant-health-guide#introduction: "The measure of residence that the UK uses to determine entitlement to free NHS healthcare is known as ‘ordinary residence".
(This is from a page about migrant healthcare, but the principle is universal.)

As geem writes, an individual can be physically absent from the UK for extended periods yet still be considered ordinarily resident. Equally, ordinary residence is notoriously difficult to define, so putting absolute limits on "allowed" absences is attractively simple, if not necessarily supported by law.

Of course the "ex-forumite" you mention may actually not have been entitled. Impossible to say from such a brief description.
 
Minn said:
The “unique name” is usually achieved by including “.... of ....” in the registered name but not necessarily on the stern.
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Much of the “unique name” problem was resolved by the changes for Part 1 registration sometime around 2010 that I referred to earlier. That is because the register was changed to a validity of five years only - needing regular renewal by those already registered. This reduced the register by cutting out a vast number that no longer existed or were mouldering wrecks up creeks and abandoned in boatyard corners, consequently freeing up the names for re-use.
 
Hey folks,

I'm being asked for a survey for tonnage and measurement to register my Twister 28 on the UK SSR. Is this necessary? And if it is how recent does it need to be? I didn't think this part was necessary so just double checking. Thanks all.

Will
 
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