Phideaux
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I'd be really interested to hear how he's got on. I was extremely tempted, especially at £23k, but just didn't have that amount of cash for an immediate purchase.
UFO 34 vrs She 36
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zarathustra
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23k!!!!!!!!! Is that what it went for??? I wish you hadn't said that. I was very interested but had no chance to travel to South England to see it and it was sold shortly before I had free time to go look at it. The asking price was £29.5k if I recall correctly, I thought it looked good at that, even allowing for the hull moisture, depending on how bad it was.
longjohnsilver
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I suspect she went for substantially less than that!!
Phideaux
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I'd have offered £18k as that's my cash reserve, but figured that I would be wasting my time going to see her and then putting in an offer so far below market valuation.
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zarathustra
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Why, it has a nearly new engine, interior looked nice in the pics, had basic electrics, appeared a good boat apart from the hull moisture, and it seems these boats are very well regarded by some sailors. Is it the sign of the times, or was the boat just overpriced in the first place?
Phideaux
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Correct £29,500 was the asking price but the broker said that the owner would sell for £25k and I figured that I could probably knock another couple off. At that price I suspect it would have been a good buy, but I was short of time, space, mooring and £5k. Never mind, there's always another when the time is right.
Phideaux
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It was on the market for £35k and then reduced to £29.5k. Price guideline from Yachtsnet is £35-45k http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives/she-36/she-36.htm
penfold
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There's another on boatshed for 32k; anyone been to see that? The deck looks proper ropey, but the interior pretty good. Haggling to be done I'd say.
zarathustra
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I saw that, spec seems pretty good but somehow it doesn't have the same appeal to me at all as the one that was with Red Ensign
Phideaux
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I think it's the same boat.
zarathustra
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Not the same boat, they sent me an email last week to say the price reduced. It has solar panel and I recall a decent spec. The hull is white and the interior is a brighter colour, the red-ensign boat had a lemon colour hull and blue interior, which looked more attractive imo, it also had a nearly new engine.
The one with boatshed was a liveaboard for the last 8 years and appears to be well looked after.
Ahvroom
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Hello,
Great to read all the reviews and experiences on the UFO34.
I could not agree more with the positive stories ;
As it happens, i have a UFO34 for sale. Drop me a line if you want more details and a link to the pictures.
TTFN
Alexander
Great to read all the reviews and experiences on the UFO34.
I could not agree more with the positive stories ;
As it happens, i have a UFO34 for sale. Drop me a line if you want more details and a link to the pictures.
TTFN
Alexander
Riggwelted
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I don't know if this forum is still 'open' (I'll wait to see if anyone responds).
I've been reading the many discussions on these two boats for several years now and I am currently trying to decide whether to look at two UFO's and two SHE's. I'm after a well built (strong) fast cruiser. This is completely opposite to my last boat 15 years ago which was a Hillyard 12 Tonner (but children arriving on top of a wooden boat that needed lots of maintenance forced me to sell her).
I sailed in a friend's SHE 36 from Ipswich to Gosport (while I owned my Hillyard) and I was awestruck by it and vowed to own one when I could. In reality, I probably could own one but would need a sizable top-up loan (the two I've seen that are available are £42k and £50k).
However, from the many posts, the UFO 34 seems a good option for considerably less money (I've seen a Colvic built one at £16k and an Oyster built one at £18k and I'd be interested in any thoughts on the two manufacture's).
I know there is never a simple answer and if money wasn't an option I'd already have booked in to view the SHE's, but is the UFO fast, sturdy and exhilarating to sail? (I know Boo2 ended up with one).
I'm after a boat that gives a thrill and will take a crew of between 2 and 6. Manly for for day / weekend sailing around Plymouth but also longer passages over to France, the Scillies and Ireland (my traditional cruising ground). Many previous posts suggest they are lively downwind and also a wet boat (but aren't all boats somewhat difficult and wet in bad weather? Even in my old Hillyard, a following beam sea would break on her stern quarter and occasionally soak the helmsman).
Any new thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
I've been reading the many discussions on these two boats for several years now and I am currently trying to decide whether to look at two UFO's and two SHE's. I'm after a well built (strong) fast cruiser. This is completely opposite to my last boat 15 years ago which was a Hillyard 12 Tonner (but children arriving on top of a wooden boat that needed lots of maintenance forced me to sell her).
I sailed in a friend's SHE 36 from Ipswich to Gosport (while I owned my Hillyard) and I was awestruck by it and vowed to own one when I could. In reality, I probably could own one but would need a sizable top-up loan (the two I've seen that are available are £42k and £50k).
However, from the many posts, the UFO 34 seems a good option for considerably less money (I've seen a Colvic built one at £16k and an Oyster built one at £18k and I'd be interested in any thoughts on the two manufacture's).
I know there is never a simple answer and if money wasn't an option I'd already have booked in to view the SHE's, but is the UFO fast, sturdy and exhilarating to sail? (I know Boo2 ended up with one).
I'm after a boat that gives a thrill and will take a crew of between 2 and 6. Manly for for day / weekend sailing around Plymouth but also longer passages over to France, the Scillies and Ireland (my traditional cruising ground). Many previous posts suggest they are lively downwind and also a wet boat (but aren't all boats somewhat difficult and wet in bad weather? Even in my old Hillyard, a following beam sea would break on her stern quarter and occasionally soak the helmsman).
Any new thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Frogmogman
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I know the S&S 34 was previously mentioned in this thread.
don’t know if this one in Loch Aline is still available, but at a glance she looks like an honest and reasonably priced example
https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...6704a20d6a24eb82af0f0/1568043090349/Buran.pdf
don’t know if this one in Loch Aline is still available, but at a glance she looks like an honest and reasonably priced example
https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...6704a20d6a24eb82af0f0/1568043090349/Buran.pdf
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Quandary
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1970 Epoxy hull? Perhaps it means paint?
I think most of us owe a vote of thanks to Yachtsnet, remarkably useful archive and goes a long way to restore ones faith in yachtbrokers.
I think most of us owe a vote of thanks to Yachtsnet, remarkably useful archive and goes a long way to restore ones faith in yachtbrokers.
penfold
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Nice as S&S34s are their accommodation isn't a patch on either the She or the UFO, being a previous design generation the hull volume is lower.
mrming
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If you want to go relatively fast in a tough old boat with good manners I can recommend the fin keel Westerly Fulmar. Not a looker like these two, but stable downwind, dry, great accommodation, has a tiller and fractional rig. You can pick up a nice one for just a little bit more than the UFO.
Bajansailor
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Yes, I do have a soft spot for S & S 34's (all S & S designs in fact) - but I think it would be well worthwhile at least asking for some info re the one for sale in Frogmogman's post above.
Ok, they do not have as much room down below as a more modern 34' yacht, but they are an absolute joy to sail - the more it blows the more they love it (within reason of course). When other boats are heeling, griping and spinning out in 20 - 25 knot gusts, the 34 has just dug her shoulder in and is tramping along steadily and very comfortably.
Supertramp
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I have sailed a She 36 but not a UFO. A true thoroughbred. I remember her sailing in winds that would have had lighter, newer boats fully reefed and banging and crashing. I recall the wheel steering was a bit odd perched in the very narrow end of the cockpit. A tiller would be better, especially singlehanded.
Whatever you buy, if it's that age then expect to spend time and money sorting things and making it look good. Better to buy original and old than something half restored with shortcuts taken. The one I sailed had teak decks which I imagine are a problem by now. I bought an older boat and it takes some unravelling and sorting (electrics, external wood, ropes and rigging etc) but I would only swap for a modern classic design which would cost even more.
Or consider if a modern boat could give the same thrill with less maintenance - Arcona, X boat or even a Sun fast 32?
jwilson
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The recent poster who revived this thread asks for differences between Oyster built and Colvic built UFOs. AFAIK all were based on Colvic mouldings, but the professionally fitted ones marketed by Oyster were fitted out by Landamores usually nicely unless the original buyer wanted a stripped out racer. Home finished boats can be anything from better than factory finish to dreadful. A few UFO34 hulls were also completed and sold as Hazelwoods.
The She 36 is no doubt the better boat, the handling is just somehow nicer, though I doubt there is much in it in speed. I actually queried S&S on the ballast weight of the She 36, and they confirmed the weight quoted in my Yachtsnet site. So despite a lot lower ballast ratio the design is just as fast and of very proven seaworthiness.
I know what happens when you run under bare pole in a UFO in extreme conditions, you end up upside down. But it rights fast. On the other hand the cure for that is to put up a storm jib and sail into the seas. I don't know how a She 36 would have behaved in the same conditions, and it' s not an experiment I'd care to try again. I'm not sure it would be that much different.
The She 36 is no doubt the better boat, the handling is just somehow nicer, though I doubt there is much in it in speed. I actually queried S&S on the ballast weight of the She 36, and they confirmed the weight quoted in my Yachtsnet site. So despite a lot lower ballast ratio the design is just as fast and of very proven seaworthiness.
I know what happens when you run under bare pole in a UFO in extreme conditions, you end up upside down. But it rights fast. On the other hand the cure for that is to put up a storm jib and sail into the seas. I don't know how a She 36 would have behaved in the same conditions, and it' s not an experiment I'd care to try again. I'm not sure it would be that much different.