Triple Keel on side

I am fuly aware of the time it takes for ordinary brick layers mortar to set having laid a few 1000 bricks over the years. i an also aware that one could use high alumina cement for faster setting. I wondered if someone had access to a different type of "cement" suitable for the purpose. However, if a boat is in water that relies on the tide going out to drain the water then the tide has to be stopped from coming in again some of the ideas quoted are next to useless in the timescale quoted.
Jamming pillows in to a crack on the inside will not be much use either because the crack may only be a few mm wide but long. Such a crack will allow gallons in to a small vessel as the tide rises. Punching in caulking compound could work to an extent.
Stuffing mastic into such crevices may work but the best solution is normally a commercial recovery vessel, paid for with the insurance that the owner should have.
Just stand back & leave it to the experts to raise the vessel & take ashore for survey & further review
 
I agree that experts are usually best path .... but :

60,000 ton Bulk Carrier aground at southern end of Baltics - failed to make the turn ....

I got asked by Cargo Owners to attend and observe / assist with refloating vessel.

The proceedings started with discussion about surveying how deep she was into the 'sandbank' .... I had the original loading report - my company had supervised the loading. S**** - the Company contracted to refloat the vessel were unaware of such data ...
We ran round the vessel on the service boat - reading drafts .... noting barometric readings as well - S**** still trying to discuss what to do ... I insisted on noting service boats echo-soundings .... wonder why ??
On board ... I calculated vessel would need to offload just over 13,000 tons to refloat BEFORE high pressure system came in ... S**** insisted on 5,000 tons.
I called client and informed - they said - ok - its S**** 's mistake if not successful. I informed that we could refalot in less than 24hrs.

S*** had their way ... 5,000 ton was offloaded to smaller ship .... engines started ... terrible shuddering ... ship never moved.

I again advised that we need to offload total of more than 13,000 tons .. to be sure make it 15,000 tons. S**** said no... another 5,000 tons would be enough.
Smaller ship alongside again - 5,000 tons transferred ... engines started - terrible shuddering ... ship never moved.

By now Ships Master was in tears ... knowing his career was over. I took him aside and calmed him down and got him to agree to insist as Ships Master as to next step ..... S*** refused saying they were contracted and had authority of Ship Owner etc.

BUT - they agreed to another 5,000 tons offloaded ... ship was felt to 'pop up' ... engines started - she moved .... luckily before high pressure weather arrived..

The smaller ship came alongside and transferred back the 15,000 tons ... recalculated cargo on board ... lost 40 tons. - well within tolerance of calculations.


I informed Client who then filed claim against S**** and Ship Owners for unnecessary time delays ..... refloat instead of being inside of 24hrs .. was over 3 days due to 'experts' ....
 
Refueler said:
I agree that experts are usually best path .... but :

60,000 ton Bulk Carrier aground at southern end of Baltics - failed to make the turn ....

I got asked by Cargo Owners to attend and observe / assist with refloating vessel.

The proceedings started with discussion about surveying how deep she was into the 'sandbank' .... I had the original loading report - my company had supervised the loading. S**** - the Company contracted to refloat the vessel were unaware of such data ...
We ran round the vessel on the service boat - reading drafts .... noting barometric readings as well - S**** still trying to discuss what to do ... I insisted on noting service boats echo-soundings .... wonder why ??
On board ... I calculated vessel would need to offload just over 13,000 tons to refloat BEFORE high pressure system came in ... S**** insisted on 5,000 tons.
I called client and informed - they said - ok - its S**** 's mistake if not successful. I informed that we could refalot in less than 24hrs.

S*** had their way ... 5,000 ton was offloaded to smaller ship .... engines started ... terrible shuddering ... ship never moved.

I again advised that we need to offload total of more than 13,000 tons .. to be sure make it 15,000 tons. S**** said no... another 5,000 tons would be enough.
Smaller ship alongside again - 5,000 tons transferred ... engines started - terrible shuddering ... ship never moved.

By now Ships Master was in tears ... knowing his career was over. I took him aside and calmed him down and got him to agree to insist as Ships Master as to next step ..... S*** refused saying they were contracted and had authority of Ship Owner etc.

BUT - they agreed to another 5,000 tons offloaded ... ship was felt to 'pop up' ... engines started - she moved .... luckily before high pressure weather arrived..

The smaller ship came alongside and transferred back the 15,000 tons ... recalculated cargo on board ... lost 40 tons. - well within tolerance of calculations.


I informed Client who then filed claim against S**** and Ship Owners for unnecessary time delays ..... refloat instead of being inside of 24hrs .. was over 3 days due to 'experts' ....
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You’d think that the calcs for that are quite simple arithmetic. Presumably they just didn’t like the answer.
 
Chiara’s slave said:
You’d think that the calcs for that are quite simple arithmetic. Presumably they just didn’t like the answer.
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I was just surprised that a World Renowned salvage Co had a bunch of obstinate rude ******** who refused to see the obvious. You can imagine the atmosphere when my initial request for 15KT offload turned out to be exactly right ... (it is my job to be able to calculate these things !!)

I'm not going to name other salvage ops - but I am always surprised by the way some go at it ... not only poor methods - but huge time delays as well ... adding significant costs to the operation.
 
Boathook said:
I did a laughing emoji but concrete was used a lot to repair ships during the WW2. I read meant as a temp repair but 5 years later still in place.

I wonder how the OP has got on ?
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Cement Boxes were common on ships to temp repair steam / water / black water pipe leaks ... close of bulkhead damage ... etc.

Usually of a sand and cement mix - not concrete.
 
Boathook said:
I did a laughing emoji but concrete was used a lot to repair ships during the WW2. I read meant as a temp repair but 5 years later still in place.

I wonder how the OP has got on ?
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Ships will still use a "Cement box" around a leaky pipe, Sea inlet or whatever as a temporary repair . Not all that uncommon.
Edit, Beaten by three minutes :cry: :ROFLMAO:
 
I would call cement on its own - cement
cement and sand mix- mortar.
Cement , sand & larger agregate such as stone etc - concrete
A containing structure to hold wet concrete whilst it sets - Shuttering
A sand box is used to measure volume of agregate when mixing material for mortar, or concrete prior to putting the contents in to a concrete mixer
But then I have never been to sea in a sinking ship :D
 
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