Trident Marine Warrior 35 (Primrose)

[Goldie]

It was common for Yachting Monthly to publish analysis of designs when they were introduced and Angus was a regular contributor then. Not sure how you would find out as the back copy service has been dead for years.

I’ve no idea how you’d start searching to identify the relevant issues, but the National Maritime Museum in Falmouth has a pretty well complete set of Yachting Monthly magazines, and possibly PBO too. Didn’t YM (albeit many years ago) used to publish an annual index covering the last year’s content? Maybe ask YM if they can help and the contact the Museum?

 

[Murt]

Hi SRM

Hi @Murt,

I have a late Voyager 35, same hull but different lid. Standard boat had the same rig as the Warrior. However, my boat was fitted out for long term/offshore cruising. It has a custom rig, twin spreader mast that may be a few centimetres taller than standard and cutter rig with jib on a short platform bowsprit. Interior bulkheads and semi-bulkheads around the mast step as standard and looks similar to the Warrior. As my working sail area is probably a bit bigger than standard (although Primrose did draw a cutter rig to the stemhead without bowsprit) and my rig is heavier than standard you could increase the sail area a bit.

Have sent you a PM re copies of brochures.

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thank you very much. I'm sure this will be of a great help!

 

[robmcg]

Can't help with the OP's question but the warrior/challenger/voyager 35 is a boat I coveted for such a long time. Too much dreaming reading Breath of Angels and Voyages of T'early Bird. Came close to buying one once, a Voyager 35 called Orchid of Penarth. Great boats, whichever version you have ?.

 

[srm]

Great boats, whichever version you have ?.

There is only one thing I do not like about mine, and it seems to be the same with all versions. The side decks are narrow and the shrouds are planted in the middle of them. Given the narrowish beam and that they are primarily cruising boats having the chain plate on the gunwhale would have made sense and improved access along the side decks.

I have been offshore in some uncomfortable weather, but even reaching in ocean waves with three reefs in the main and a couple of metres of jib exposed I never had any concerns about the boat with the Monitor gear steering us. The hull form is balanced on all points of sailing so the Monitor gear handles the boat in all conditions provided the sail plan is kept suitably balanced.

The handling going astern is normal for the hull/keel/rudder type so I just accept it. Its often a case of "see which way she wants to go and make the best of it". However, getting out of a marina berth can be helped by the judicial use of a warp from the midship cleat to swing on or if the wind is suitable a bit of jib unrolled to help the turn.

 

[robmcg]

The handling going astern is normal for the hull/keel/rudder type so I just accept it. Its often a case of "see which way she wants to go and make the best of it". However, getting out of a marina berth can be helped by the judicial use of a warp from the midship cleat to swing on or if the wind is suitable a bit of jib unrolled to help the turn.

I feel your pain. Our boat is hopeless in reverse as it shares the same hull characteristics of the warrior. We are therefore infrequent marina visitors ?.

 

[ashtead]

Hi you might message Eoyore who is in Malaysia and last I heard had Iolaire II a warrior 35 which I sailed on as a youth in the Solent . He might have much useful info for you Murt . Just search Iolaire thread on this forum for more details. I don’t know if this helps with your proposed refurb .

 

[BobnLesley]

[QUOTE="Murt, post: 8088805, member: 194640".
... and not loose or waste space/time.
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Going in the opposite direction and finding space, I believe that the Warrior has (as has the Challenger) a fibreglass liner to the forecabin sides set 4-8" inboard of the hull; we fitted four hatches through that liner and gained a huge volume of dry storage for soft/light stuff.

 

[srm]

I feel your pain. Our boat is hopeless in reverse as it shares the same hull characteristics of the warrior. We are therefore infrequent marina visitors ?.

Its not a pain, all three of my monohulls have had similar hull forms as I prefer a sea kindly boat with balanced lines that will not change characteristics in different sea conditions and angles of heel. These boats were designed to be directionaly stable going ahead and one learns how to work with them when you have to go astern.
I have been paid to sail a number of modern flat bottomed twin double bedroom in the stern designs so have first hand experience, They are a delight in light winds and calm seas but can be hard work with unreliable handling when conditions get even mildly challenging. I would not buy one for my own use, but very many people are happy to do so.

 

[Stemar]

They are a delight in light winds and calm seas but can be hard work with unreliable handling when conditions get even mildly challenging.

Which is why they sell. Most people do their best to avoid challenging conditions. I certainly do but, having been caught out a couple of times, were I in the market for a long-term cruiser, I'd be looking for a more conservative hull - an "efficient sailing vessel designed not by the illogical biases of a racing rule, or by concepts thought up by marketing experts" to quote Steve Dashew

 

[BobnLesley]

. .. I prefer a sea kindly boat with balanced lines that will not change characteristics in different sea conditions and angles of heel. These boats were designed to be directionaly stable going ahead and one learns how to work with them when you have to go astern...

I think the applicable term is 'Horses for Courses' .
When we were negotiating to buy our Challenger in Greece with an offer significantly below asking price, the broker responded: "The vendor has asked me to remind you that there are very few ocean capable yachts available for sale here in the Ionian" I readily agreed, but countered by reminding him that the one thing rarer we're buyers for such boats. That Trident hull gave us wonderful 9 years/40,000 miles of blue water sailing, but I still cringe when I recall the few weeks that we spent sailing her in the Ionian/Patras Gulf

 

[srm]

Most people do their best to avoid challenging conditions.

As do I. However, being based at 60 degrees north for a fair bit of my sailing career probably influenced my ideas about what makes an easily handled seaworthy hull form.

 

[Tranona]

I think the applicable term is 'Horses for Courses' .
When we were negotiating to buy our Challenger in Greece with an offer significantly below asking price, the broker responded: "The vendor has asked me to remind you that there are very few ocean capable yachts available for sale here in the Ionian" I readily agreed, but countered by reminding him that the one thing rarer we're buyers for such boats. That Trident hull gave us wonderful 9 years/40,000 miles of blue water sailing, but I still cringe when I recall the few weeks that we spent sailing her in the Ionian/Patras Gulf

You should have borrowed my Bavaria 37 that I kept in Corfu for those few weeks!

 

[mattonthesea]

I feel your pain. Our boat is hopeless in reverse as it shares the same hull characteristics of the warrior. We are therefore infrequent marina visitors ?.

As a regular but not frequent marina visitors we have developed plans A, B & C for all but one of the vagueries of most conditions. I'll start a new thread for that ??.

 

[Si L]

Hi all,
I'm brand new to this form and am looking for design documents for a Warrior 35 built by Trident Marine, designed by Agnus Primrose. Built in 1973. I bought her in August of this year and am currently upgrading her. I intend to fit her out as a live aboard in the next years. Because of this I would like to have the design documents so that any changes made will not impact on her design and structure.
Kind regards,
Murt.

Hi Murt I bought a Warrior 35 in July 2022. I’m fairly sure I have design documents. Ill take a look and get back if I can find it

 

[Murt]

Hi Murt I bought a Warrior 35 in July 2022. I’m fairly sure I have design documents. Ill take a look and get back if I can find it

Please do, that would be such a help in all aspects. I have been engaged in upgrading her. AIS, Radar, changed both standing and running rigging... I've also put an inner stay on her for a jib/storm jib. Will also be in the market of a trisail.
Having some design documents will be of huge help.
Kind regards,
Murt.