Whitelighter
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Anyone have any idea how much it would cost for a skipper and crew to bring a 33ft boat back from the eastern seaboard of the US to UK south coast?
Trans Atlantic Delivery Cost
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Bobc
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Somewhere between £5k and £10k by the time you've paid for food, fuel, and the extra stuff you'll probably need to buy.
Whitelighter
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Thats quite a range.
What sort of extra stuff do you envisage?
What sort of extra stuff do you envisage?
Halcyon Yachts
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We are delivering a yacht from North Carolina to Gib this month. We also have a couple more coming back from the Caribbean.
Feel free to give me a call or drop me an email if you'd like to discuss your plans further.
All the best,
Pete
penfold
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If anyone quotes less than a £1 a mile plus expenses be suspicious.
Bobc
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Depends how the boat's kitted-up and what the skipper wants on it.
Stuff like:-
Satphone (rental)
Epirb
Engine spares, a few sets of fuel filters, belts, impellor, etc.
Probably a fair bit of fuel (I had 10 x 5 gallon cans full strapped to the guardrials at £20 each plus the fuel to go in them at another £200).
Stuff like that.
Then , you'll also have to pay for 4 x flights for skipper & crew (£3kish) plus food, marina bills (if they stop at the azores), and food.
That's on-top of the skipper & 1st mate's fees (crew usually won't get paid).
So if Skipper charged £3k and mate was £1k, then you'll probably be £8kish?
Speak to Pete though, then you'll get a proper idea (unlike my guestimate).
Neil_Y
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+ 2k -3k for wear and tear on sails and ropes.
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capnsensible
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I would be interested to know how you get that figure, thanks. That has not been my experience but like to hear about others crossings. Ive had more problems with engines.
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Tranona
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You need to provide far more information. Your skipper will cost £120+ a day, then crew, but he might get them for nothing. Then 3 lots of air fares, food and consumables for a month, plus costs of getting boat up to standard for the crossing plus fuel. So, your £5-10k range is not unreasonable. 33' is a bit on the small side to consider delivery on its own bottom. You may do better with a freight delivery, but again you will get a range depending on where the boat is located, whether there is any land transport, dropping mast, building cradle etc.
Whichever way you slice it you are into £8-12k, plus of course any agents charges, VAT and RCD compliance. Look at April Yachting World - article by Tom Cunliffe who has just done it where he discusses the pros and cons of the options.
Woodlouse
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It's a long shot at 33' but will it fit into a container? If not deck cargo on a ship is still probably your best option.
sarabande
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This is probably a followup to W's enquiry about container sizes earlier.
Whitelighter
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I know about vat and import duty, that is factored into the cost. RCD is a non issue as the boat is already cat A.
Container not an option as boat is to wide/mast too long.
Honestly, I'd be suprised if the engine was used much, the boat is much quicker under sail in all but the lightest air, and I would expect the crew to sail where possible. Engine is about 7 knts, sail anything up to 20knts+ dependant on wind speed/direction
Container not an option as boat is to wide/mast too long.
Honestly, I'd be suprised if the engine was used much, the boat is much quicker under sail in all but the lightest air, and I would expect the crew to sail where possible. Engine is about 7 knts, sail anything up to 20knts+ dependant on wind speed/direction
Bobc
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But delivery crews just want to get there, and if the boat drops under 5kts, the donkey goes on. It's also very likely of having to motor the last 100 miles or so into (and out of) the Azores.
Whitelighter
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All you need to do 5knts boat speed is about 5knts wind.
Less than that donkey goes on for sure
Less than that donkey goes on for sure
Woodlouse
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What sort of a boat is it? If it's very high performance you again need to be careful about finding a skipper who can handle it. A fair few won't have sailed anything other than your average white cruising boat.
Whitelighter
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Dragonfly 1000R trimaran
Neil_Y
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I think that wear on sail and sail fittings ammounts to quite a bit, seeing as they are up and working for 500hrs on an average crossing. I've had goose necks, kicker fittings, batten pockets, rudder bearings, ruddder cables, chafe wear, halyards worn through in one crossing, and in normal weekend cruising terms probably 5 years sail wear. All just a guess from experience, but that was my budget during long term cruises for repairs after a 4 week passage. Maybe high but it meant we always had spare for running repairs and updates.
oldbilbo
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Hmmm. Not perhaps the most rugged of boats. Not perhaps the most tolerant of weight. One would certainly want a delivery skipper and a small crew who are multihull/trimaran experienced. I'm sure there are some MOCRA wannabes willing to 'talk a good fight'....
I s'pose if Rory McDougall can sail a 21' Wharram cat each way across the Atlantic, solo, then a 10 metre Dragonfly ought to be practicable - but maybe not at 22 knots!
Have you explored the insurance issue?
capnsensible
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Yeah, I can see all the things you mention. On further thought, I did have a gooseneck problem on one crossing, but when the plate fell off
I saw it hadnt ever been riveted on properly and put it down to that.Also had a cruising chute reduce itself to a large ammount of small, not connected cruising chutes, but put that down to age. Mmm.
Otherwise, its always been engines....
Re chafe, I have expended a number of old teatowels and socks (!) on anti chafe duty. Last time I mentioned that on here,I got an earful about how it cant possibly work, but I though, well, whatever, tactical socks and towels have worked for me on 10 crossings!
Look forward to the next one
capnsensible
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Hmmm. Not perhaps the most rugged of boats. Not perhaps the most tolerant of weight. One would certainly want a delivery skipper and a small crew who are multihull/trimaran experienced. I'm sure there are some MOCRA wannabes willing to 'talk a good fight'....
I s'pose if Rory McDougall can sail a 21' Wharram cat each way across the Atlantic, solo, then a 10 metre Dragonfly ought to be practicable - but maybe not at 22 knots!
Have you explored the insurance issue?
Well said. I think its very doable though if the seasonal toss the weather coin is suitably loaded. Ive done a couple back over well late in June and into July that would have been absolutely ideal for a fast multihull.
June too soon, July standby is the Carib mantra for TRS and a boat like that should, with a bit of shore help (Iridium phone) have a cracking sail.
Hope it goes well.
CS
