Trader - MBM March 2010 page 8?

[jfm]

I've got the article in front of me. The strap line is "A pedigree performer from a popular yard" wih no criticism of the boat or yard whatsover. I remember being galled by the review considering the appalling history that Trader had (as well publicised on these forums). [Crikey, they were weighty tomes back then - 222 pages!]

I think that "Coffee Table fodder" is a little unfair. Airport "Executive Lounge fodder" would be more accurate as anyone who regularly visits the T5 BA lounges will testify!

Pete

Wasn't there a criticism of spray, or spray rails, and didn't Trader mod* the chine section near the bow or something Pete?

*Possibly by sticking some polyfilla/play-dough/marzipan on, as they have experience using material of this space-age genre to make keels?

Or am I mixing up with something else?

 

[petem]

Mmmm, that rings a bell but I think that was a different boat/report and I think it was Wheatabix they used to fix it.

Pete

 

[Richard Shead]

Jeeeezzz

Wasn't there a criticism of spray, or spray rails, and didn't Trader mod* the chine section near the bow or something Pete?

*Possibly by sticking some polyfilla/play-dough/marzipan on, as they have experience using material of this space-age genre to make keels?

Or am I mixing up with something else?

I have had Stewart on the stand all day reading these, apart from when he had to go out for a cigarette to calm down....

Yes as far as I am aware they did modify the boat as the test concluded it was very wet. (dont have article in front of me just from memory)

As for Exec lounges thats MBY I am afraid not MBM, oh and YW and SYW (not replying to you direct on that one!)

As for writing to please the advertisers...do you not think the mag would be that tiny bit thicker if we did? (again not at you JFM)

 

[petem]

You are quite right, I was referring to a May 2007 MBY article and I am actually quite grateful that BA piles these mags up in the lounge for tightwads like me to pinch.

I haven't read the afore mentioned TC article but it does surprise me that you would want to devote at space to him at all. Forgiveness has to be earned surely?

 

[Richard Shead]

If you went Virgin

You are quite right, I was referring to a May 2007 MBY article and I am actually quite grateful that BA piles these mags up in the lounge for tightwads like me to pinch.

You would get Superyacht World and Yacthing World to take...

The downside.... they prob dont go to your destination!

 

[petem]

Don't worry I don't restict my thievery to MBY, in the BA lounge I normally also nab SYW, T3 (gadget) and GQ!

Virgin used to fly to Bombay but they recently stopped.

Pete

 

[oceanfroggie]

I suspect this piece was more a rushed error of judgment than anything else and accept the comments from the ipc folk.

I do enjoy the mags and buy them moderately frequently despite the rip off prices charced here in ROI of a staggering €6.01 for a £4.40 priced mag). By current exchange rates that should be only €5.00, instead of the 20% extra for nothing (thread drift). However they are excellent "coffee table" publications and that's what I buy them for. You can pick them up browse, dip in and out when a few mins are free, or an artical of particular interest appears. I understand the business model of publishing so subs/retail income and advertising income require a difficult editorial balancing act, hence things like product reviews and boat tests can never be as blunt as consumer mags, no mystery that's just the way it is, simple business. A mag is merely a means of connecting advertisers with consumers and enough content to attract the readers that attract the advertisers - a circle.

Given the awful trader saga had now come completely out in the open it would have been nice to see the mags give this operator "both barrels" editorially speaking instead of the "fluffy" piece in the march issue. As already suggested a "human interest" story highlighting the real hard hitting downside of this as a service to warn readers not only about this guy, but also good practices for purchasing boats and how to legally protect ones capital during the buying process (ie "rogue traders - how to avoid the mine field"). Go on mbm team, give it a blast, both barrels and earn more support from reader income.

 

[jhr]

There is, of course, the "Letters to the Editor" section of the magazine, and I guess some readers may wish to write in, pointing out that Tony Chappell has a bit of a history and that "regrets" begin to sound a bit hollow when it's the third (or fourth? I have lost count) time around?

That's "Tony Chappell", by the way. ;-)

 

[fireball]

Interesting that if you do a Google Search on Tony Chappell, not only do you get links to ybw threads - including the thread about his company going bust and the possibility of fraud investigation ... but you also get a link to www.tradermotoryachts.com ... which is interesting that GOOGLE make that link ...

 

[oceanfroggie]

Google can't be conned

 

[petem]

Mmmm, why does the Trader site appear for a search of Tony Chappell? I've had a look at the HTML and can't figure it out.

Pete

 

[Gludy]

I repeat that the mags were very fair to me on this forum throughout my saga.

I think this artcile was a simple error of judgement.

It is however now time for the mags to realise that any association with Chappell and Co is bound to have the muck sticking to them as well.

They should now act to expose it all and stop the association. It is not too late and it would do them and the boating public a power of good.

 

[Firestone]

Anyone have a link to the UK Companies Registration Office ??

 

[Adrianwool]

Anyone have a link to the UK Companies Registration Office ??

www.companieshouse.gov.uk

 

[jfm]

Anyone have a link to the UK Companies Registration Office ??

Yes, I have an industrial strength connection. There are zillions of Chappell pages on there. I've been through many of them with /for Gludy. Ditto the Welsh dealers for Marlow. What do you want to know in particular, and I can post it?

 

[jfm]

www.companieshouse.gov.uk

That only gets you as far as the front door to the House, not inside it

 

[benjenbav]

What was the name again? "Tony Chappell" did you say? Tony Chappell

 

[Adrianwool]

That only gets you as far as the front door to the House, not inside it

Hi Jfm,
Absolutely, but from this point you, as you well know, can order reports, accounts etc. If you have comprehensive details on Mr Chappell so much the better, but the guy was initially asking for the gateway. The sooner Mr Chappell is nailed the better.

We specialise on the importation of LHD cars for expats, but if you Google the Loach brothers you will find how difficult it is to get rid of rogue traders in any business , they have set up businesses more time than I can mention but the ALWAYS find a way to come back and extract money from unsuspecting clients.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Wasn't there a criticism of spray, or spray rails, and didn't Trader mod* the chine section near the bow or something Pete?

*Possibly by sticking some polyfilla/play-dough/marzipan on, as they have experience using material of this space-age genre to make keels?

Or am I mixing up with something else?

Yup, if I remember correctly, it was the new Trader 42 and MBM pointed out that it threw clouds of spray over the deck even in flat conditions. Trader subsequently enlarged the spray rails at the bow and made a big thing about what they'd done. What I found ironic is that all Traders throw up a huge amount of spray, not just the 42. My SWMBO and I always used to joke that you could recognise a Trader owner because he always wore wet weather gear whatever the weather

 

[Keen_Ed]

I'm sorry Mike, but I absolutely challenger your contention that we are merely a coffee table magazine that shies away from the hard issues. We are a hard news journal as well as a source of entertainment. If we were so beholden to our advertisers we wouldn't have been so unflinching in our coverage of the dire impacts the recession had on some of our biggest motorboat builders. I can point to numerous other instances where we were the magazine of record, and where we broke news stories that had huge impacts on the British boater, from Peters Opal, e-Borders, drink boating, marine conservation zones, DEFRA and waterways budget cuts, lock keeper job losses, red diesel... There are plenty more examples but they escape me as I write this on the MBM stand in Birmingham. I will concede, however, that perhaps we could have done more on the human impacts of the Trader administration, but for one reason or another - that have nothing to do with advertising - we didn't. I accept responsibility for that.

As for being critical, I don't see the news pages as the place to do this. The first responsibility of MBM's news pages is to cover the stories that matter, which we've never failed to do. I urge you to look back through the news pages of MBM. I proudly say that we never swerve the big stories.

You're right in that this latest Trader story may not have appeared had the BBC not done that piece, but the company would still have ended up in the news pages with the final publication of the administrators report, which, after checking last month, we're still awaiting.

I would say again - and it's something I've often said on this forum, but never tire of repeating - advertisers hold no sway over what we report. Nothing. Nada. The news team
respects its readers far too much to repeat press release fluff (much to the irritation of PR firms) in the news pages. Our stories are our own, and influenced by no one. OK and Hello! I've never been so offended!

If you're in the area, come down to the boat show so I can buy you a beer and we can have a proper debate. that invitation is open to all.

Stewart

Well, you would say that, wouldn't you?

At no time while the whole saga was being discussed here was there any investigation in the magazine. Where was the article - "Glaudy's side (with evidence). Trader's response"