Totally Gone off Diesel

Pete7 said:
If all car drivers are encouraged to switch to petrol over the next couple of years, what happens to all the diesel they would have used? Does the price drop? or is the volume so small that it doesn't matter? does the price of petrol then rise once the Gov have got you trapped like a rat in a corner ?

Pete
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I think you will find all those big lorries doing 100,000 miles a year and filling up their somewhat larger than a car fuel tanks will ensure diesel production continues unabated.

Let's not get too concerned about a tiny bit of England called central London where cars are enemy number one and owners are happy to pay the price of a modest family home in the midlands for somewhere to park up.

What I can see happening is owners of poorly maintained vehicles that polute having them taken away and destroyed. Forget speed cameras, we need pollution cameras. That would soon clean up our air.

Henry :)
 
Three significant problems with inboard petrol engines on a motor cruiser:

  1. Severely limited availability of petrol pumps on the water. PITA carrying cans, trailer, car boot, etc
  2. Cost of petrol v diesel
  3. Fire safety - Diesel much safer should problems ever arise with fuel leaks or vapour leaks, other sources of on board fire, etc.
Having rescued a family from a burning cruiser the last item sticks in my mind. Had their vessel been petrol powered it is unlikely they would have been rescued in time.
 
For a twenty something foot dayboat I'd choose a big, modern, silky smooth, oh so quiet, petrol outboard. For anything much bigger I'd go for an inboard diesel... of course that does reflect that we've got both fuels available fairly readily in the harbour here.
 
I see the price of diesel has gone down recently in our local roadside service stations. Petrol and diesel the same price.
Diesel cars becoming less popular I believe.
Will there be a continued downturn in the price of diesel? I hope so.
 
MartynG said:
I see the price of diesel has gone down recently in our local roadside service stations. Petrol and diesel the same price.
Diesel cars becoming less popular I believe.
Will there be a continued downturn in the price of diesel? I hope so.
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The latest price reduction reflects a dip in the oil price, and supermarkets competing to gain market share. I don't think any change in car buyers will be reflected at the pumps for a long time. There are about 35 million vehicles on the UK roads. On a good year 2-2.5 million new vehicles are sold. Therefore 15 years to replace the current fleet.
 
If something retro fit-able became available at a competitive price, would probably consider fitting a couple of exhaust particulate filters.It was fairly easy to fit a pair of water lock noise filters
However it would be fairly simple installation for me, may well be real problem on most boats.
If the technology is available for heavy industrial road diesels,anybody care to explain why Princess or Fairline et al do not feature the option in their sales brouchure.
Or do their buyers not give a monkeys ?
 
oldgit said:
If something retro fit-able became available at a competitive price, would probably consider fitting a couple of exhaust particulate filters.It was fairly easy to fit a pair of water lock noise filters
However it would be fairly simple installation for me, may well be real problem on most boats.
If the technology is available for heavy industrial road tdiesels,anybody care to explain why Princess or Fairline et al do not feature the option in their sales brouchure.
Or do their buyers not give a monkeys ?
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I doubt anyone has even looked in to this kind of system for a boat, would it work with a wet exhaust? Is this a problem on boats? What happens to the particulate when it's washed out the pipe into the sea, Lots to consider
 
Particulate traps are possible, but the regen cycle would need regular hard blasts. For people who like to pootle at displacement speeds, and more of us are doing this in planning boats, the trap would need regular recycling, oh and AdBlue additives, and all the other exhaust aftertreatments that road vehicles require, adding tens of thousands to the price. While the regs don't require such things, then it is a difficult task to get someone to tick this box in lieu of the aircon, genie, watermaker, ICE, navgear etc
 
Niander said:
Thank #### we are getting out of The EU they would probably be trying to ban diesel engines in small boats shortly.
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I would not worry too much about the EU. The government we are likely to get with the sort of majority they will likely get will I am certain do far worse.
 
I was driving our Axopar 37 AC through the North Sea yesterday with its twin 350 Verado's. I would not want to contribute to " totally gone offdiesel"
All I will say is that we were skipping along at 25knts, which is the boats most economical speed and it was super quiet and very refined. Some boats suit big outboards and some don't. There is room for both in our broad market. The key is to buy the correct engines for the boat.
 
paul salliss said:
I was driving our Axopar 37 AC through the North Sea yesterday with its twin 350 Verado's. I would not want to contribute to " totally gone offdiesel"
All I will say is that we were skipping along at 25knts, which is the boats most economical speed and it was super quiet and very refined. Some boats suit big outboards and some don't. There is room for both in our broad market. The key is to buy the correct engines for the boat.
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I'm with him
 
paul salliss said:
I was driving our Axopar 37 AC through the North Sea yesterday with its twin 350 Verado's. I would not want to contribute to " totally gone offdiesel"
All I will say is that we were skipping along at 25knts, which is the boats most economical speed and it was super quiet and very refined. Some boats suit big outboards and some don't. There is room for both in our broad market. The key is to buy the correct engines for the boat.
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Still waiting for pics and report on how you find your new machine!!
 
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