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Hi all,

I'm still learning the etiquette of the forum and so please let me know if this is an inappropriate question.

I've been looking at different boat options and, whilst the Haines 32 offshore might be a little smaller than we need, I really like the look, build and heritage of the Haines range.

These two Haines 32 Offshore are up for sale at the moment. However. for what I see as similar boats in terms of age and spec (in fact, the cheaper boat has a larger engine and is younger, despite having a few more hours), the price difference is around £25K, which seems significant.

Am I missing anything in terms of spec, age, etc, or is this simply the free market in action?

Option 1: 2017 Haines 32 offshore, Chichester Marina United Kingdom - boats.com
Option 2: 2015 Haines 32 offshore, Norfolk Yacht Agency United Kingdom - boats.com
 
Interesting that the newer boat has the larger engine but is less money, which is perhaps counter intuitive.

Condition may be a factor - low hours on the older model with NYA (78hrs) versus 480 on the newer one with Ancasta. Worth saying that diesels are better used and serviced than sitting doing not a lot but not likely to be a problem with the age of boats we are talking about.

Market may also be a factor - NYA are a Haines dealer and they are built locally - a family company who many know so probably sell well as a result. I have seen similar with Brooms in the past - alwasy sell well around here because they were built here and people understand how good they are but have seen the same model sit for ages in the West Country.
 
Greg2 said:
Interesting that the newer boat has the larger engine but is less money, which is perhaps counter intuitive.

Condition may be a factor - low hours on the older model with NYA (78hrs) versus 480 on the newer one with Ancasta. Worth saying that diesels are better used and serviced than sitting doing not a lot but not likely to be a problem with the age of boats we are talking about.

Market may also be a factor - NYA are a Haines dealer and they are built locally - a family company who many know so probably sell well as a result. I have seen similar with Brooms in the past - alwasy sell well around here because they were built here and people understand how good they are but have seen the same model sit for ages in the West Country.
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Thank you @Greg2 , that makes sense, NYA are a trusted agent in the area, with Haines being of higher value on the Broads than the south coast.
 
Purely on the engine front: 480 hours is barely run-in. I'm with Greg, a well used and maintained diesel will always be better than one that has hardly been run. A more powerful engine too so not only more performance but you won't have to thrash it to get a bit of speed. Especially if you are using her in open water. i suspect that the low hours one has just chugged up and down the Broads where the Chichester one has had a good workout around the South Coast. Much better for the engine to work hard. A good suite of nav gear too.
Tapping into the local knowledge is very sound advice too.
 
Hi, I personally think that a more powerful engine is only an advantage when you don't have to load it as much as a low power one.

If the boat is clean and the inspector finds no problems, then the monetary difference is a nice bonus for servicing, new equipment or buying diesel.

Those hours are really not a problem, ask for the maintenance history from the beginning, if available.

NBs
 
Farmer Piles said:
Purely on the engine front: 480 hours is barely run-in. I'm with Greg, a well used and maintained diesel will always be better than one that has hardly been run. A more powerful engine too so not only more performance but you won't have to thrash it to get a bit of speed. Especially if you are using her in open water. i suspect that the low hours one has just chugged up and down the Broads where the Chichester one has had a good workout around the South Coast. Much better for the engine to work hard. A good suite of nav gear too.
Tapping into the local knowledge is very sound advice too.
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Thanks @Farmer Piles, I agree that a well run in engine must be better overall. This is why I was so curious about the price differential and suspect that @Greg2 hit the nail on the head with the reason; less about spec and more about the context of the seller / region.
 
NBs said:
Hi, I personally think that a more powerful engine is only an advantage when you don't have to load it as much as a low power one.

If the boat is clean and the inspector finds no problems, then the monetary difference is a nice bonus for servicing, new equipment or buying diesel.

Those hours are really not a problem, ask for the maintenance history from the beginning, if available.

NBs
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Thank you @NBs, that's good advice.
 
I find it interesting that many boat buyers, not you Suffolk Newbie, get so exercised about engine hours. I have seen posts where they have been reticent about buying a boat with a diesel with 1000 hours on it. Our tractors - 6.5 litre Iveco engines do about 600 hours a year - low for a tractor. The average is about 1000 per annum with some guys doing 2000 hours a year. Our self propelled sprayer has a 200hp six cylinder JD with 9200 hours on it and it runs sweetly and pulls like a train.
 
Farmer Piles said:
I find it interesting that many boat buyers, not you Suffolk Newbie, get so exercised about engine hours. I have seen posts where they have been reticent about buying a boat with a diesel with 1000 hours on it. Our tractors - 6.5 litre Iveco engines do about 600 hours a year - low for a tractor. The average is about 1000 per annum with some guys doing 2000 hours a year. Our self propelled sprayer has a 200hp six cylinder JD with 9200 hours on it and it runs sweetly and pulls like a train.
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@Farmer Piles I completely agree, 1000 hours of regular use is nothing for a good Diesel engine. In fact, low hours, and sitting around in a salt water environment, must be a worse situation.
 
Suffolk_Newbie said:
Hi all,

I'm still learning the etiquette of the forum and so please let me know if this is an inappropriate question.

I've been looking at different boat options and, whilst the Haines 32 offshore might be a little smaller than we need, I really like the look, build and heritage of the Haines range.

These two Haines 32 Offshore are up for sale at the moment. However. for what I see as similar boats in terms of age and spec (in fact, the cheaper boat has a larger engine and is younger, despite having a few more hours), the price difference is around £25K, which seems significant.

Am I missing anything in terms of spec, age, etc, or is this simply the free market in action?

Option 1: 2017 Haines 32 offshore, Chichester Marina United Kingdom - boats.com
Option 2: 2015 Haines 32 offshore, Norfolk Yacht Agency United Kingdom - boats.com
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The market is generally more highly priced on the south coast. Many reasons. Buy on the E coast and sell on the S. Likely a reason for your dilemma. Beyond that I recommend going with the deal that strikes you as most honest.
I like to deal with people who do not blush to answer all queries.......
 
peter gibbs said:
The market is generally more highly priced on the south coast. Many reasons. Buy on the E coast and sell on the S. Likely a reason for your dilemma. Beyond that I recommend going with the deal that strikes you as most honest.
I like to deal with people who do not blush to answer all queries.......
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Thanks @peter gibbs , that's one of the things that confuses me with these two examples, the higher price is in the Broads, with the £25K lower price on the south coast.
 
Suffolk_Newbie said:
Thanks @peter gibbs , that's one of the things that confuses me with these two examples, the higher price is in the Broads, with the £25K lower price on the south coast.
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Hi,

used boats do not have a correct price, the market, i.e. the buyers, realize the correct price with their offer, if the seller accepts. Both boats are still for sale, although the second and even newer one is £25,000 cheaper, still no one willing to trade has been found, there can be several reasons for this, often own old boat still not sold. If you are a buyer without an old boat, you can still manage to drop the price because you can make a quick sale, use this to your advantage.

NBs
 
Farmer Piles said:
I find it interesting that many boat buyers, not you Suffolk Newbie, get so exercised about engine hours. I have seen posts where they have been reticent about buying a boat with a diesel with 1000 hours on it. Our tractors - 6.5 litre Iveco engines do about 600 hours a year - low for a tractor. The average is about 1000 per annum with some guys doing 2000 hours a year. Our self propelled sprayer has a 200hp six cylinder JD with 9200 hours on it and it runs sweetly and pulls like a train.
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On that note, we had a car with a commonly marinised engine, an Audi 3.0TDi At 200 000 miles we passed it on to our son and daughter in law. Up to 240 000 miles, that’s got to be 5000 hours. And that’s a 250bhp V6. Diesels thrive on being used. And maintained of course. I’d say the maintenance record is the critical bit, not the hours.
 
Farmer Piles said:
My gut feeling is that if it's what you're looking for then head down to Chichester. It seems like a goodun. A fun cruise back to home waters too.
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Thanks, that's where my head is too. I was just ensuring that I wasn't missing something on the spec. but it does seem that it's simply a market difference.
 
Suffolk_Newbie said:
Hi all,

I'm still learning the etiquette of the forum and so please let me know if this is an inappropriate question.

I've been looking at different boat options and, whilst the Haines 32 offshore might be a little smaller than we need, I really like the look, build and heritage of the Haines range.

These two Haines 32 Offshore are up for sale at the moment. However. for what I see as similar boats in terms of age and spec (in fact, the cheaper boat has a larger engine and is younger, despite having a few more hours), the price difference is around £25K, which seems significant.

Am I missing anything in terms of spec, age, etc, or is this simply the free market in action?

Option 1: 2017 Haines 32 offshore, Chichester Marina United Kingdom - boats.com
Option 2: 2015 Haines 32 offshore, Norfolk Yacht Agency United Kingdom - boats.com
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Considering your other thread, these boats will be very small for your described use, you'll have it back on the market in time time at all. There is a massive difference between the 38-40ft boats you were considering and one of these, massive.

My second point, the NYA boat with the 200hp engine will be fine for plodding around the broads, but will be underpowered at sea.

The Chichester boat will be fitted with the T4-270, which is actually 265hp, this will be just about acceptable.

Both boats have the same base engine, the Toyota D4D, as fitted to some Toyota trucks and the Landcruiser Colorado.
 
Suffolk_Newbie said:
Hi all,

I'm still learning the etiquette of the forum and so please let me know if this is an inappropriate question.

I've been looking at different boat options and, whilst the Haines 32 offshore might be a little smaller than we need, I really like the look, build and heritage of the Haines range.

These two Haines 32 Offshore are up for sale at the moment. However. for what I see as similar boats in terms of age and spec (in fact, the cheaper boat has a larger engine and is younger, despite having a few more hours), the price difference is around £25K, which seems significant.

Am I missing anything in terms of spec, age, etc, or is this simply the free market in action?

Option 1: 2017 Haines 32 offshore, Chichester Marina United Kingdom - boats.com
Option 2: 2015 Haines 32 offshore, Norfolk Yacht Agency United Kingdom - boats.com
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Hi. You say you are looking to go "coastal and potentially, in the future, trips to France / The Netherlands" yet the Haines 32 is only rated as RCD category C (coastal and estuary) and 265hp is on the small side (as pointed out by PR).
 
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