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[powerskipper]

Things go wrong.
Safeties being something all pleasure vessel users have to be aware of, if not implement and as all of us on this forum being boat mad; either totally or at least partially; will know things can go wrong. By the law of averages if you spend a lot of time on the water you will at sometime have something go wrong. [May it never be a Mayday?] Some post recently have shown that however much time you have spent on the water there are still things you do not know. [Think I may be harking on here]

If you think back to the program 999, it was documented that on more than one occasion information gained from the show had been used to save one or more persons lives.
This forum has a great wealth of knowledge and experience, which could make life easier for newbie’s or save lives.
Many people who are new to boating will not know simple safety tips that could save their lives or someone else’s.
Do you think it would be worth putting pen to paper or fingers to keyboard and writing accounts of what happened and how it was handled, compensated for or mended?
I will get to the point.
For example, those who, [this applies I think more to power than sail] IMHO
Are exposed to the sheer wind chill factor involved with high speed cruising.
In the summer it is nice to keep the boat moving [as after a summer like we have just had;] to keep cool but how many of you came back with bright red faces from sunburn or wind burn?
At this time of year before it has reality got cold, and people are reluctant to let summer slip away completely, have you gone out for a blast and all was fine until you have slowed down.
Then when you move, your muscles have got cold and you can at this time loose your balance very easily [Overboard time.} as your body just does not move as easily until it’s warmed up again.
There is also what I call Bone Chill factor, when you feel cold inside and you must then get warm and if possible eat something to warm you up.
This I had a reminder of at the weekend and now the thermal are in use.

I hope some of you will share your experiences as safety is something I feel very strongly on. [The motherly part me]
Take care all



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[tripleace]

there is already a wealth of information on the forum by looking at old posts. To be frank most people will not read it and the manual you suggest we create will be never read. they (newbies & old hands with no knowledge or wish to improve) are full of there own importance and will consider it to be guidance for others and not themeselves.

let the newbies etc look up the old posts or drown in their own stupidity.

How many times have we seen newbies total fully of "it" and when given good advice they come back with a load of "it".

Nothing wrong with being new, I for one will help anyone who asks but a manual on how not to be stupid.... come on give us a break...



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[Newbieknownowt]

Tripleace, I'm glad there are more people like powerskipper on this forum than old curmudgeons like you. I'm a complete newcomer to boating, am looking to buy my first boat next year, am fully aware that I know almost nothing about the subject and that I won't know a fat lot even after doing power boat 1 & 2, day skipper etc . I've also found this forum a great source of information but unless it's contained in threads like the one powerskipper is trying to start, with an identifiable title, no-one's going to find it are they? When you talk about letting newbies "drown in their own stupidity" you just mean "let them drown" don't you? Keep posting the tips powerskipper and others - you may well save a life.

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[telmate]

As a new owner of a Phantom 40 - not the one which sank I hasten to add - I would find your suggestion very helpful. Whilst I have done Dayskipper theory, practical, icc and now yachtmaster theory, situations such as those you have described would be very useful as it's gained by something I don't have which is many years of experience.

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[Steve_D]

I think that Tripleace is in part correct, whilst there is a wealth of knowledge on the forum and most are willing to answer specific questions. It isn't really the best place to learn how to become "an expert in 5 simple steps" there are much better formats (books, magazines, courses, and experience, etc)

Threads like this usually degrade to "don't pee in the fuel tank" OR "anyone who goes out after sept 1 without a full drysuit will die a horrible and slow death"

Also some here are professionals and some are self made experts how does one stand on the advice given, if I follow someones sage advice and get into trouble where does the advice giver stand?

IMHO this forum is in danger of driving away the very people that provide those hard earned snippets of information about what flavour of thread a left handed widget is required by a 1948 fluffsnuffler.

Maybe I'm wrong (it has been known, june 3 1983, about 3 in the afternoon if memory serves /forums/images/icons/wink.gif ) and people will be here in their droves with all sorts of advice but I doubt it will be the ones that REALLY know.

Ask a specific question and you will get good advice.

as ever all IM(V)HO

Steve D

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[tripleace]

Time will prove .

go on then create the docuement and in 3 months time have a look a see how many times its used.

The same posts will still appear on this forum because its easier to ask a question that is relevant to you than to look it up in a manual.

I have no problem with newbies / old hands or whatever asking questions, its the thought of everyone wasting a whole load of time creating something which is a total waste of time.



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[powerskipper]

Yes,
I agree with you in some ways…
But!
there had to be a but in some cases it’s not asking the right questions or using the terminology to get the answer you want,
Its what questions to ask, For instance,
If someone posted something like
“How do you keep warm on a flybridge cruisers in winter”
or
“How do you stop yourself from getting a red face”
can you just imagine the answers you would get!.
The information they are looking for is important, so if phrased so
“How do you protect against wind chill”
or
“which is the best protection against wind burn, suntan/ UV/ lotion or cream, barrier cream or large scarf”
the answers would be different but the question is basically the same.
I was not asking form pages and pages, just tips.

Wash off any diesel spills when refuelling or you could have 2 hours of scrubbing with jiff ahead off you, as a lovely brown mark will appear within 24hr of were the diesel had spilled on the lovely white deck..

Your imput here is great. I am not having a go at you. It’s not my style but I know the problems new people face and how SCARIE it can be. I have a long memory if you want to post something great.



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[tripleace]

I did not take it personally.

with all the Fun comments we get, alot of sense is usually transmitted.

We are all grown-ups and its just a fact that nobody will ever read the manual.. they don't do a search now on "how to clean diesel" and to bury that fact in several hundreds of pages of facts is pointless. It will just never be read.

better still for the forum to continue as it is and for there to be a great deal more posts, more people and for more people to become regulars and not single posters. If that happens they will see posts as they happen and in a format they can take in. In other words, bit by bit rather than in a "war and peace" rewrite.

As soon as you create this document, it will have a number of major problems.

1. using the diesel example you will have two or three ways of doing it. which is right and according to who?

2. Somebody will say something that is wrong and thus in todays legal world somebody will be accountable

3. who keeps it up to date. it might be Jiff today and fairy liquid tommorow.


..... Lets stick with what we have... encourage people to look up old posts (which they never do) and better still sign up and become regulars, have a bit of fun, take the fun in good spirit and learn a bit in the process.

I do not believe there has ever been a time when a newbie has ever been ignored and although some of the posts maybe a little silly, thats the style of this forum. Take it or leave it, but better still join in and improve it.



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[Artie]

Yes I agree - who wants to read that I fell in the Marina whilst washing my boat because I stepped backwards into the "D" fendering at the end of the pontoon. Also that I spent some 10 mins waiting for a neighbour to help me out because my leg was stuck with the natural position for my head hanging underwater and I could not get out. In the late winter then hypothermia etc.
Also who will read that I took my DSC eaxm and passed. Later when I was out on the briney it went off with such a loud alarm that I s**t myself 'cos I did not know what the hell was going on and it had not been demonstrated in the course. But ask a relevant question and I will happily relate the story if it is relevant

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[powerskipper]

OK.
Point taken,
What you say makes an aworfull lot of SENSE
[See I remembered today!]
I have never read “war and peace”
Much to my mother’s dismay; she tried very hard with me and English.
[Problem was dyslexia]
You can only post what you have found to work for you!
I will say
All of you who read but do not post; do join in,
Newbieknownout and telmate, continue to post,
If I can spell the way I do. And still be here.
Anyone can!!!!

Not bad considering I have had 2 glasses of IRISH BAILEYS and no supper yet.

And I still have my sense [again] of Humour.
Something on this forum is defiantly rubbing of on me [information only before someone makes a comment. H00 or ccscott49 normally]
So may things continue as they are?
There are always PM for those who are unsure.


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[powerskipper]

I like your sense[again] of humour.
Live long, and enjoy

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[ArthurWood]

Well done, Julie!

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