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I have to say that in theory it is a good idea to have one group representing you rather than all the myriad different groups that make up the representation so far ....

However , by the looks of the 'Lock Keeper' section , you are going to very nicely ( but perhaps unintentionally ) talk them out of a job ...

4 day weeks ? 7 months of the year ?

Sounds like an ideal opportunity for 'temporary staff' to me. Effectively halving the wage bill. That'll do nicely . Recruit various unemployables at Easter , give them a job until September and then thanks very much , bye bye.

Then when it all goes wrong , and the boaters are moaning , the EA can say 'but that's what you asked for , so that's what you've got' , job done.

Be careful what you set in motion guys.
 
concerned said:
IHowever , by the looks of the 'Lock Keeper' section , you are going to very nicely ( but perhaps unintentionally ) talk them out of a job ...
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Well, I am pleased that you have taken the trouble to read the discussion paper - but, with respect, you have missed the point.
The EA have ALREADY reduced lock-keeper availability and we have had many reports of locks being unattended and on self-service during the working day.
The discussion paper is not advocating reduced lock-keeper services. The reduction in services was already happening. In my opinion this trend and the absence of resident lock-keepers at some locks is unacceptable and needs to be resisted - but HOW?

What the paper is doing, is trying to recognise, IF reduced services are inevitable, WHEN fully manned assisted passage is most essential and SHOULD continue to be available. It is not advocating part-time lock keepers either but trying to ensure that their priorities recognise the needs of the customers as well as routine maintenance etc.

A couple of years ago the public outcry about the intended sale of lock cottages caused the EA to rethink that issue and many thought that they had secured a victory which would ensure the continued occupancy of the cottages by resident lock-keepers. We now know this is not the case.

Facing up to the realities is inevitable, but a practical approach to ensuring we get the best possible service when it is most needed is essential. That means being prepared to engage with the EA and being able to propose, and argue for, alternative ways of achieving objectives.

Do you want full time resident lock keepers at every lock?

I DO, but I fear those days may be gone unless, somehow, we make a damn sight more fuss about something we really care about, make a considerable financial contribution to, and want to keep.

Would be interested to know why you posted your response here and not on the tmba site where comments were invited?
 
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concerned said:
I have to say that in theory it is a good idea to have one group representing you rather than all the myriad different groups that make up the representation so far ....

However , by the looks of the 'Lock Keeper' section , you are going to very nicely ( but perhaps unintentionally ) talk them out of a job ...

4 day weeks ? 7 months of the year ?

Sounds like an ideal opportunity for 'temporary staff' to me. Effectively halving the wage bill. That'll do nicely . Recruit various unemployables at Easter , give them a job until September and then thanks very much , bye bye.

Then when it all goes wrong , and the boaters are moaning , the EA can say 'but that's what you asked for , so that's what you've got' , job done.

Be careful what you set in motion guys.
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And who the FECK are you? :confused:

I just love these new people who 'appear' with no introduction, rude gits, and start some wonderful conversation 'with a few veiled hints'

Now seriously dude, lets do it nicely eh? :rolleyes:
 
No Regrets said:
And who the FECK are you? :confused:

I just love these new people who 'appear' with no introduction, rude gits, and start some wonderful conversation 'with a few veiled hints'

Now seriously dude, lets do it nicely eh? :rolleyes:
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I was doing it nicely little man.

Nowhere have i sworn ( unlike yourself ) , nor been aggressive ( unlike yourself ) , nor been rude ( unlike yourself ) , i was just making a statement , maybe just my opinion on how it reads. Or is it not welcome to have opinions other than yours on this forum ?

I notice from some other threads that i have read , that you appear to be the forums resident bully ? are you going to post a picture of a male chicken next ?

Play by the rules you purport to represent , and lets do it nicely , eh ? dude .
 
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No Regrets said:
And who the FECK are you? :confused:

I just love these new people who 'appear' with no introduction, rude gits, and start some wonderful conversation 'with a few veiled hints'

Now seriously dude, lets do it nicely eh? :rolleyes:
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Just because they appear new does not mean they have no knowledge of the Thames and the environment.

The Thames forum is fast becoming a laughing stock with everyone jumping on a so called newbie ....

So let's go back to debate and not jump on someone just because of a low post count please.

Thank you.
 
Friend of yours? :)

p.s. Look at some of the recent newbies Richard? Surely you're not blind :D
 
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As you mention , the original post was May 2011 ( the 7th in fact ) , i first posted on the 9th , that's two days. You are the one who has ressurected the thread after 9 months.

As Tony ( presume this is Boatone ) says ( in your own words ) go and have a look , so i did , having read the thread to that point.

When i read it , i put down my thoughts , nowhere have i spouted ****.

Beleive it or not , you don't know everything about the river or the workings of the organisation that manage it. Nor do i.

I'm not a troll , nor am i an ATYC representive ( or even a member ) and nor do i have a vested interest , other than being a long term river user. Not everyone seeks to have online prescence and pictures of their boats or family doing boating things.

I'm not the one who needs to get a grip , there is no need for the aggression you spout on here to people who have a different opinion to your own.
 
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Sure thing, but having frequented and run forums for ten years, I can clearly see this is not the normal posting pattern of a normal newbie.

The first post is very deep into 'politics' whereas most normal newbies would have the decency and manners to introduce themselves to what is a wholesome and fairly tight knit community.

This is unusual. One immediately thinks, not the usual actions of a normal poster :D

As usual, no explanation, just a counter attack. ;)

I rest my case. Troll is welcome to PM me with a suitable defence, in which case i will happily apologise... :)
 
No Regrets said:
Sure thing, but having frequented and run forums for ten years, I can clearly see this is not the normal posting pattern of a normal newbie.

The first post is very deep into 'politics' whereas most normal newbies would have the decency and manners to introduce themselves to what is a wholesome and fairly tight knit community.

This is unusual. One immediately thinks, not the usual actions of a normal poster :D

As usual, no explanation, just a counter attack. ;)

I rest my case. Troll is welcome to PM me with a suitable defence, in which case i will happily apologise... :)
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I am afraid it's the tight knit community that is slowly killing this place.

Let's agree to differ on this one and perhaps open yourself up to the possibility that they may well have been on these forums for many years.

There are many users I meet who tell me they look from afar for years before posting.

Anyhow my dinners ready.

Cheers
 
Perhaps you can point out my counter attack , as i can only see my response to your vitriolic attack on me ?

Just because someone isn't a long term member or contributor , doesn't make their opinion any less valid than your own.

I have explained my reasoning in my original post on what i think could happen.

I shan't be PM'ing you as , you are not the judge , nor the jury ... however you seem to have taken it upon yourself to be the executioner.

Anyway, Sir , shall we agree to differ on this one ? and leave it be.
 
RichardShead said:
I am afraid it's the tight knit community that is slowly killing this place.

Let's agree to differ on this one and perhaps open yourself up to the possibility that they may well have been on these forums for many years.

There are many users I meet who tell me they look from afar for years before posting.

Anyhow my dinners ready.

Cheers
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Yup. Totally agree. A new member myself but but have lived on and cruised the river for the past 30 years. Only found out about the YBW forum by accident.I found the label 'newbie' applied to me very shortly after my first post, as if my contribution was somehow not to be treated with the same credibility as a contributer with many 1000's of posts. Forums, twitter and facebook are not a way of life to some of us. Many of us river users pre-date these fora, and have just caught up with them. I use the posts often for reference and advice and very useful they can be too. I enjoy the views expressed in the lounge. I have been known to express my opinions sometimes even too extreme for some members when I have felt strongly about an issue which hitherto I had no outlet to express my opinion beyond that of writing one of those letters things!
I enjoy and welcome the robust and forceful opinions sometimes expressed on this forum as it shows a passion for our river and our chosen hobby, but please do not denigrate a new forum member and his views because he has not racked up 2000 posts of, in some cases, inconsequential twitter in his first year of membership. The new contributer may have alot more to offer the forum than his posting tally might betray :)
 
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