Time to stir things up...

[Metabarca]

... let's get the blood coursing through those veins! What's the latest on MV Picton?

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[BrendanS]

Git! /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif Why not ask Kim to let the ybw 2 back as well

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[Joe_Cole]

Naughty!

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I read on BYM that he had started up yet another website, but I haven't bothered looking for it!

Joe


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[stokes]

Ive missed this, whats the story? It cant all hinge around the fact that the boat was uninsured!!

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[Heckler]

they were on welsh tv last night, they had been on hols and when they got back the boat had disappeared. usual tale of woe but no real explanation of what exactly happened to it
stu

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[jonjo]

Re: Zero sympathy but

I have zero sympathy for the owner but I do admire his ability to present a hopeless case. There is a well paid job out there waiting for him in PR I think.

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[ashanta]

Re: Zero sympathy but

Whatever you may think of them they received far less leniency than the so called "travelling people" who seem to be able to force entry onto land and park their caravans in the way of people trying to go about their rightful business. This has occurred twice to a company (which has space around it's premises which is enclosed by a paliside fence) opposite where I work. Children running around under HGV's, entering the warehouse where FLT's are operating.
Twice, after lengthy legal action each time they have been moved on. The owner is having to spend £KKKK's in new security arrangements to prevent them breaking in again.
They have left a terrible mess behind including their toilet waste.
I spoke to a police officer at the time (inspector) who said she couldn't do anything. I said that by forcing entry they had commited a criminal act there should be a team of policemen on site to arrest the lot of them. You can guess what the response was?

These people get away with everything and they contribute nothing.

I am sure that the owners of the boat referred to was a law abiding person who has come foul of a big company or the council because lets face it if you dont pay your community charge you go to jail and if you upset the big companies you are in big trouble.
Regards.

Peter.

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[Joe_Cole]

Re: Zero sympathy but

They are no different than the travellers. They've been banging on about their so called rights for years. It's cost the Marina, the Harbour Authority and the County a lot of time and money. The boat owners were evicted because they were trespassing; just like the travellers! They don't work; just like the travellors. They've been breeding like rabbits; just like the travellers! I see no difference!

Joe

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[Joe_Cole]

Re: Zero sympathy but

He's made it pretty obvious that the last thing he wants is a job.....well paid or otherwise! /forums/images/icons/smile.gif


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[Sybarite]

Re: Zero sympathy but

I really can't believe what I am reading here....

Have you ever been in a position where you have children to care for and no home for them? Whatever foolishness or hard luck may have led to this position, what about a minimum of charity? Do you really know the origin of their misfortune; things can happen very quickly and can get out of hand. Stress can also lead to depression which in turn erodes your ability to make the right choices in life.

" Charity never humiliated him who profited from it, nor ever bound him by the chains of gratitude, since it was not to him but to God that the gift was made." - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Your remarks, quite frankly, disgust me.

John

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[whisper]

Re: Zero sympathy but

I have to agree with you. Having followed this case for years it seems and having had problems with "travellers" on two occasions in the past I can honestly say that the two are not comparable.
I admit that I don't know what led to this predicament apart from what seemed to me to be bloody-mindedness by the man in question. Nor have I met him personally so I don't know if he has any reason for acting the way he does BUT I have met with "travellers" and I am unable to express how much I detest them and their lifestyle.
I have little sympathy with the owner of M.V.???? Picton but have plenty for his kids.

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[whisper]

Congratulations, /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif ,I think that's worked pretty well.

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[Twister_Ken]

try listening

To the song "All our trades are gone" sung by June Tabor on her album Angel Tiger for an alternative view on the problems of travelling folk.

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[Wai_Tapu]

If she's white, top-heavy and with a "Visit the most exciting marina development" message on the hull, then she's been towed up channel and is now plonked on Wessex Water's jetty between Shirehampton and Avonmouth amongst all the other half-built or half-rotted away "projects" sitting there.

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[tcm]

Re: Zero sympathy but

ah, but doesn't mr shalom consistently use his large family as a weapon with which to beat the landlords of his marina? I agree that this seems highanded and heartless - if it was a sudden event. But the long and sorry tale has continued for years, long after most others would have seen the writing on the wall. His first move seems to be to use the media - web, local papers, television to prosecute his case and has been so for years. Eventually, the marina prevailed - they can decide who stays in their marina and who doesn't. I think most of us would by now have got on with providing a home rather than a story.

Of course, there is a safety net to look after children and so forth - social services, nhs, welfare. But mr shalom's talents would clearly allow him to do better for himself and his family than that. Thus he is failing to contribute a fair share towards society in a reasonable and agreeable manner with those around him, as well as setting a poor example to his kids and not really acting in their best interests. Charity is a leg up not a ful-time crutch. The leg-up for Mr shalom was advice months if not years ago which he got in full measure and failed to follow. He should get on with his life cos he's wasting his own and that of many others.

imho

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[Joe_Cole]

Re: Somewhat sanctimonious I think!

You are entitled to your opinion. However, I followed this silly saga through from the beginning and it is quite clear that this man has chosen the course of action, or rather inaction, which led up to the situation which he now finds himself in. He is not homeless, but he is not living in the home which he wanted to be in. This is entirely his own responsibility.

Charity? There are a lot more deserving cases than this man. However I would be interested to hear what you have done to help him. Before you preach at others about charity, perhaps you should explain why you haven't done more to help him. Or is this just sanctimonious hand wringing by you?

Stress? Depression? No evidence of this. However the evidence does point to a foolish and reckless intransigence on his behalf.



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[Sybarite]

Re: Somewhat sanctimonious I think!

When I am talking about charity I am talking about having a charitable attitude and perhaps trying to see the problem from his perspective as well. Not kicking the guy when he is down.

Your remark about "breeding like rabbits" is what disgusted me and continues to do so.

Maybe if you served at some soup kitchens in the middle of winter you might find that it is not only the layabouts that get into trouble. It is not always possible "to get off one's arse" (to quote somebody else). Many people have a very keen sense of shame to be in that position and they don't need any other outside people to rub it in.


John

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[DeeGee]

Re: Somewhat sanctimonious I think!

I agree..

I have followed this saga as far as it went, and even went to Penarth to see for myself,and talk.

It was clear that VS had a case, whether a winning one or not - I cannot say. His problem was, that like so many, he was not properly articulate. Or, perhaps, over-articulate. He was uniquely able to bury the facts under a welter of confusion.

Whatever the rights and wrongs, I have shuddered at the attitudes of people here, not just now, but all the way through - all this stuff about using his kids as pawns... he has n kids and when you are being kicked, it seems reasonable to say, hey, look what you are doing to me, and me with n kids and all !

I just hope I don't find myself in trouble - of my own making - all these knowalls telling me I only have myself to blame - so shove it, mate !!


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[Joe_Cole]

Re: Somewhat sanctimonious I think!

John,

In other words you haven't done anything to help him, but are happy to lecture others about charity. Somewhat hypocritical surely?

The analogy with soup kitchens is missleading of course, and you are making assumptions about him that are not supported by the evidence. However, you are right to bring the word "layabouts" into the debate. This man is not one of lifes "unfortunates" as his campaign has shown. He is intelligent, articulate and able to call on the resources of the media, the web etc to promote his case. He has chosen not to work (He "retired" in his 30's) Perhaps he is just, to use your word, a layabout?

I stand by my comment on his rampant procreation. If it disgusts you then so be it. It disgusts me that he has been so happy to use his kids for emotional blackmail, in his futile campaign.




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[jonjo]

Re: Move the story ashore

How would you react to the following version of the saga?

A family moves into an ordinary house rented under the well known conditions of a 6 month short-hold tenancy agreement. Years later, long after the landlord decided not to renew the tenancy agreement the parents try to claim they are the victims of some great injustice.

The Noah dispossession story has only stayed alive because most of the population does not understand nautical matters. I assume readers here know full well that their annual berthing contract includes no security of tenure beyond the paid for period.

Why does Mr. Shalom think he should have a special exemption from the law?

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