The things women think important

[Chiara’s slave]

Do men like being in cramped gloomy spaces? You’d be forgiven for thinking so if these pages are anything to go by.

 

[Bouba]

I sometimes think that I would leave this place if there was a boating sub-forum on mumsnet

 

[benjenbav]

Might be prudent to check if Netherlands regulations on discharge of grey water have become more restrictive since the Linssen was commissioned and, if so, whether holding tankage for grey water is sufficient

 

[SimonX]

Might be prudent to check if Netherlands regulations on discharge of grey water have become more restrictive since the Linssen was commissioned and, if so, whether holding tankage for grey water is sufficient

Where would I find that regulation? The boat we are looking at (2012) has a 240l grey water tank, the current specification for new build of same model says 300l

 

[potentillaCO32]

Where would I find that regulation? The boat we are looking at (2012) has a 240l grey water tank, the current specification for new build of same model says 300l

The RYA and cruising association have guidance that might help.

 

[benjenbav]

Where would I find that regulation? The boat we are looking at (2012) has a 240l grey water tank, the current specification for new build of same model says 300l

If you allow 50L/cycle for the washing machine and assume it’s used daily then the 240L grey water tank will probably need emptying every other day even with only one couple onboard.

I’m afraid I don’t know what regulations apply in NL as to grey water but, if it is the case that you have to discharge it into a regulated system, then you just need to think how that fits with your proposed use.

 

[SimonX]

The RYA and cruising association have guidance that might help.

Both refer to 2009 regulations mandating holding tanks but no mention of specific size of tank. I’ll get my BiL to check

 

[ylop]

Might be prudent to check if Netherlands regulations on discharge of grey water have become more restrictive since the Linssen was commissioned and, if so, whether holding tankage for grey

Where would I find that regulation? The boat we are looking at (2012) has a 240l grey water tank, the current specification for new build of same model says 300l

Do you both really mean GREY water? Unusual to have a holding tank for grey water on a fairly small pleasure boat. I would have thought a boat that size might have a 250 L BLACK water tank.

As far as I know there are no rules on Grey water in Dutch waters (there may be in the canals themselves?). Black water it is forbidden to discharge so has to be pumped out. 240L is a lot of waste and the Dutch are well set up for pump out so it shouldn’t be a problem.

Of course good to check there are no new rules, or proposed changes.

 

[benjenbav]

Do you both really mean GREY water? Unusual to have a holding tank for grey water on a fairly small pleasure boat. I would have thought a boat that size might have a 250 L BLACK water tank.

As far as I know there are no rules on Grey water in Dutch waters (there may be in the canals themselves?). Black water it is forbidden to discharge so has to be pumped out. 240L is a lot of waste and the Dutch are well set up for pump out so it shouldn’t be a problem.

Of course good to check there are no new rules, or proposed changes.

I thought local authorities in the Netherlands were rather anti- folks dumping grey water in their waterways.

I have not checked the point beyond an AI search. Buyer might/might not want to look into the issue.

Linssen seem to specify the following for new boats of this sort of size:

“All grey water outlets (sinks and shower-drainage) discharge directly overboard”

How the washing machine is plumbed in this boat would be of interest to me if I were buying as I would be less keen on untreated bio-detergents being discharged into watercourses whilst if it does go into the black tank that will fill rapidly if an extra 50L/day is added to a 240L tank.

Just one more thing to think about for the buyer. Hopefully, an issue that has been satisfactorily solved already.

 

[ducked]

I’d genuinely like to know how you think you know this. Because they aren’t reporting some of the worst sexist posts, or some of the extremely offensive jokes on the joke thread ? Most people post under their boat name. I’m sure it’s true a lot of female posters have been driven away. A lot of stuff on these forums would get you disciplined in a modern workplace.

Perhaps a reflection of the lack of workplace discipline in the retired demographic?

If so, sue me.

 

[ducked]

Depends on whether Mrs Morris's knickers are made of synthetic or natural materials. But we shouldn't be discussing such things.

Dont think it does. The Sun destroys all, "My Smalls are the Suns Anvil" stylee.

For a while, being lazy and short of space, I left my clothes on the line (under a roof but open sided, so probably less protection than a bimini) but stopped doing that when they fell apart.

Synthetics may be relatively more vulnerable though

 

[ianc1200]

Was it the Young Ones who said they can last 4 days - normal, reversed, inside out normal, inside out reversed.

You missed out .... throw them against a wall and see if they stick, only then wash the pants. Our commodore told this to our 8 year old son much to his glee.

 

[ianc1200]

Might be prudent to check if Netherlands regulations on discharge of grey water have become more restrictive since the Linssen was commissioned and, if so, whether holding tankage for grey water is sufficient

Watching a YouTube channel "Cruising My Home" - it's about a guy living on his boat in an Amsterdam marina - over Christmas, he explained no rules re grey water, but with black water, his nearest pump out is two hours cruising away, and likely to be out of order. "What do you do?" he said, I assume he means simply discharge into the canal. He said the fine would be 180 Euro's plus 20 admin fee if caught, but it sounds like that's a small possiblity.

 

[benjenbav]

Watching a YouTube channel "Cruising My Home" - it's about a guy living on his boat in an Amsterdam marina - over Christmas, he explained no rules re grey water, but with black water, his nearest pump out is two hours cruising away, and likely to be out of order. "What do you do?" he said, I assume he means simply discharge into the canal. He said the fine would be 180 Euro's plus 20 admin fee if caught, but it sounds like that's a small possiblity.

There are many issues involved in that.

I couldn’t hope even to begin to resolve them.

All I would say, in the context of the washing machine, is that imho it would be worthwhile the buyer asking whether there are any issues that might make it seem less a gift horse than a Trojan one.

 

[Bouba]

Watching a YouTube channel "Cruising My Home" - it's about a guy living on his boat in an Amsterdam marina - over Christmas, he explained no rules re grey water, but with black water, his nearest pump out is two hours cruising away, and likely to be out of order. "What do you do?" he said, I assume he means simply discharge into the canal. He said the fine would be 180 Euro's plus 20 admin fee if caught, but it sounds like that's a small possiblity.

I think you have to read between the lines....if you can’t find a place to park your car....it’s usually because the authorities don’t want you to be driving. If the cost and inconvenience of living onboard is built into the system....then the powers to be don’t want you living on the water

 

[Chiara’s slave]

There are many issues involved in that.

I couldn’t hope even to begin to resolve them.

All I would say, in the context of the washing machine, is that imho it would be worthwhile the buyer asking whether there are any issues that might make it seem less a gift horse than a Trojan one.

In the context of the washing machine… our 8kg load machine at home uses 22 litres average for a full load on eco cycle. Perhaps that helps, if it has to go in the black water tank? 50 litres is very pessimistic.

 

[Boaty_Pete]

I can understand the attraction in principle of having a washing machine on board, but for a leasure boat, not live-aboard, I do wonder how many would eventually find it's not used.
It's easier to just take what you need each visit and bring away your 'dirties' to wash at home with everything else.
Then no-one has to deal with washing, and you don't clutter the boat with laundry while you're supposed to be having leisure time.
In the summer, I'm in the water so often, I wear the same pair of swimming shorts all week and only need clothes after a shower for the evenings. Very rarely I'll hand wash a couple of sets of underwear.

 

[Bouba]

If, instead of soap, you used one of these....
Laundry ball - Wikipedia
People may not notice you discharging from your washing machine

 

[SimonX]

I can understand the attraction in principle of having a washing machine on board, but for a leasure boat, not live-aboard, I do wonder how many would eventually find it's not used.
It's easier to just take what you need each visit and bring away your 'dirties' to wash at home with everything else.
Then no-one has to deal with washing, and you don't clutter the boat with laundry while you're supposed to be having leisure time.
In the summer, I'm in the water so often, I wear the same pair of swimming shorts all week and only need clothes after a shower for the evenings. Very rarely I'll hand wash a couple of sets of underwear.

The use case for us will be trips of a month or upwards so we will have to do washing, I would imagine most being done in Marina laundrettes but I guess it is useful, to have the facility to do onboard if needed.

 

[Boaty_Pete]

Ok, I would agree. We can't do a month at a time, but if we could, that would be a consideration.