The Raggie Motto "Power gives way to sail"

[Flying Penguin]

Tide

goes in and out.

Channels

loads of them, CG 16 and 67, QHM 11, Port Solent 80

Hazards

Scumsail yachts, Bramble Bank races, Cowes, Bavarias with bits dropping off

And therein lies a prime example of why we need compulsory licensing for MoBo drivers!

 

[bedouin]

Ignore is a bit unfair, I think most mobos are very concious of speed limits and speed with caution maintaining extra look outs for HMs and police ribs.

You clearly don't know the Solent then - you sit somewhere near Gilkicker or Old Castle point any fine day in the Solent and I guarantee that more that half the MOBOs you see will be speeding.

But I dare say they think the rules don't apply to them

 

[DAKA]

And therein lies a prime example of why we need compulsory licensing for MoBo drivers!

Curse those trolls, they got me to score another home goal

on a serious note, Compulsory Licensing for all water craft from a canoe all the way down passed a sailing boat on onto to HM launches gets my vote

 

[The swede]

There isn't always that much room on the south coast, especially summer weekends.

You should give Lake Solent a go!

Hang on. I thought one goes boating to relax. Why all go and sit on the same small bit of water? It's not as if you HAVE to go there (and at a certain speed) because your working place accidentally is at the other end of the pond...

If a place is too crowded, I go and sail somewhere else. Life is stressful enough. Not gonna get myself even more stressed up on the water

Don't forget the hazard of all the MOBOs who ignore the speed limit

It's not so much the speed limit, more the danger and damage they do to others they ignore.

Close to the coast, many seem to plain ignore there might be people swimming, and in harbours, they create a tidal wave of a wake "it's not my boat being rocked around anyway".
Not sure if it's arrogance or just not being capable of driving a boat.

And therein lies a prime example of why we need compulsory licensing for MoBo drivers!

Curse those trolls, they got me to score another home goal

on a serious note, Compulsory Licensing for all water craft from a canoe all the way down passed a sailing boat on onto to HM launches gets my vote

Second that. In France everyone needs a license. Although I lived in UK until recently and my boat still is UK registered, I did pass it and it's definitely something I'd recommend. You'd have much less cowboys on the water.

 

[DAKA]

Hang on. I thought one goes boating to relax. Why all go and sit on the same small bit of water?

Its very sociable

 

[The swede]

Its very sociable

Sure, but when you moor with friend / fellow boaters, you're somewhere in a small bay or marina. You don't clutter up the open water.

Then again, I do appreciate anchoring in a nice quiet creek where non of the summer tourist disturb us and enjoy the view of the GF sunbathing naked.

 

[davidej]

enjoy the view of the GF sunbathing naked.

A Swedish bird skinny-dipping in the Med - and us stuck in wind swept Britain.

Grrrr

 

[The swede]

A Swedish bird skinny-dipping in the Med - and us stuck in wind swept Britain.

Grrrr

Sorry, not a Swedish bird. I was married with a Finnish chick but traded her in for a much younger Czech model.

Ashame I don't have the nice boat with the big sun pad... of course, if any owners of larger yachts want to invite us ...

 

[l'escargot]

You clearly don't know the Solent then - you sit somewhere near Gilkicker or Old Castle point any fine day in the Solent and I guarantee that more that half the MOBOs you see will be speeding.

But I dare say they think the rules don't apply to them

I think it is quite clear that most of them don't know of the 10 knot limit a 1000 yards off shore in most of the eastern Solent.

 

[Andydent2000]

I think it is quite clear that most of them don't know of the 10 knot limit a 1000 yards off shore in most of the eastern Solent.

Not really the thread though is it? This is about understanding and observing the colregs.

Understanding the local speed limits around the Solent may be a legitimate gripe but not the subject of this topic.

 

[l'escargot]

Not really the thread though is it? This is about understanding and observing the colregs.

Understanding the local speed limits around the Solent may be a legitimate gripe but not the subject of this topic.

Actually it's not, if you read the first post of Daka's it's about a new motto for Raggies. Subsequent posters introduced colregs as they did speed limits. It is how forum discussions quite often develop.

Feel free not to contribute if you don't like the current subject.

 

[Tidewaiter2]

Gosh, I wish...

I think it is quite clear that most of them don't know of the 10 knot limit a 1000 yards off shore in most of the eastern Solent.

...we could do 10 knots regularly in the E Solent, best yet is 9.5 with the spring tide under us and a top f5/low f6 off St Cath's and Ventnor, half main and chute up- but we were trying to get back from Cbourg to the Royal Vic for a Club Rally meal

Anyway, joined the fred drift, so my suggested new 'All Boater's motto';
"Keep a good Lookout & understand the other guy's problems", and/or " Keep a good Lookout,& Take EARLY action to avoid a Collision".
\
Unlike certain incidents in the Solent and Chi Hbr this 'summer' involving spinnakers, tankers, 55ft mobos , Finn dinghies, etc.

 

[The swede]

I think it is quite clear that most of them don't know of the 10 knot limit a 1000 yards off shore in most of the eastern Solent.

Is there no national limit in the UK of 5 knts within 300m ?

 

[l'escargot]

Is there no national limit in the UK of 5 knts within 300m ?

No. Only local restrictions in defined areas that are seldom effectively policed, so they are generally ignored.

 

[DAKA]

no I dont think so, most of the popular areas have sandy beaches, 1000 yards from the green charted area sounds a lot but its just under 1/2 nm, and barley wet at mean water HW, Ive never seen a boat (save jet ski ) going fast so close inshore, there would usually be kids paddling towing little sailing boats that we would have to slow down for and give way to

this is the wrong thread to seek advice on sweed, most the contributors on this thread know full well that they shouldnt stand on to mobos as often as they pretend they do but are not going to admit that on this thread

 

[l'escargot]

no I dont think so, most of the popular areas have sandy beaches, 1000 yards from the green charted area sounds a lot but its just under 1/2 nm, and barley wet at mean water HW, Ive never seen a boat (save jet ski ) going fast so close inshore, there would usually be kids paddling towing little sailing boats that we would have to slow down for and give way to

this is the wrong thread to seek advice on sweed, most the contributors on this thread know full well that they shouldnt stand on to mobos as often as they pretend they do but are not going to admit that on this thread

If you need to brush up on the regs Pete they're here:

http://www.qhm.mod.uk/portsmouth/regulations/speed-limits

I'm sure you don't collide with as many yachts as you pretend either, otherwise you would be all over YouTube

 

[DAKA]

If you need to brush up on the regs Pete they're here:

http://www.qhm.mod.uk/portsmouth/regulations/speed-limits

I'm sure you don't collide with as many yachts as you pretend either, otherwise you would be all over YouTube

OOOOOps, I clearly made a mistake agreeing with you on anything, I replied to swede at the same time you did, doh.

seeing as we appear to be agreeing now lets be honest, I dont recall hitting another boat when I have been at fault.

None fault collisions, there are three actual collisions that spring to mind all within the solent, all raggies (one under sail) that I have reported on, although many on here had a good laugh about it , they were all real incidents.

How many mobos have you rammed ?

 

[l'escargot]

OOOOOps, I clearly made a mistake agreeing with you on anything, I replied to swede at the same time you did, doh.

seeing as we appear to be agreeing now lets be honest, I dont recall hitting another boat when I have been at fault.

None fault collisions, there are three actual collisions that spring to mind all within the solent, all raggies (one under sail) that I have reported on, although many on here had a good laugh about it , they were all real incidents.

How many mobos have you rammed ?

None yet (they are all faster than me and have managed to get out the way). The only boats that have hit me have been under power.

 

[The swede]

this is the wrong thread to seek advice on sweed, most the contributors on this thread know full well that they shouldnt stand on to mobos as often as they pretend they do but are not going to admit that on this thread

LOL.

Sorry, it was just a genuine question. In France there is a 5kts speedlimit within the 300m zone and there are pretty strict limits in most busy bays. There are frequent controls (although non-French vessels are too often ignored) and if you're caught speeding, it's not going to be a good day.

But back on subject, I still think the principle should be that the most nible one gives way. Even if that means a small sailing boat needs to give way to a much larger motor yacht. It's a simple matter of inertia.

... and boaters should just relax a bit more. WHY does one want to have right of way? I don't need to go anywhere when I'm on the water. I'm just there to enjoy. If I need to go around 15 sailing boats, so? No point getting irritated. There are enough sources of irritation on land itself

 

[trapezeartist]

LOL.

Sorry, it was just a genuine question. In France there is a 5kts speedlimit within the 300m zone and there are pretty strict limits in most busy bays. There are frequent controls (although non-French vessels are too often ignored) and if you're caught speeding, it's not going to be a good day.

But back on subject, I still think the principle should be that the most nible one gives way. Even if that means a small sailing boat needs to give way to a much larger motor yacht. It's a simple matter of inertia.

... and boaters should just relax a bit more. WHY does one want to have right of way? I don't need to go anywhere when I'm on the water. I'm just there to enjoy. If I need to go around 15 sailing boats, so? No point getting irritated. There are enough sources of irritation on land itself

Broadly speaking, Swede, the col regs do have a big element of "most nimble boat keeps clear" in them.

And anyone thinking they have a "right of way" clearly hasn't read their col regs.