The pro's and cons of steel boat building

[Achosenman]

Brent, get yourself back down the dole office, buy some food to put in your sisters cupboard, and stop talking so very much nonsense. Just because you are lounging around your sibling's flat with nothing better to do you come on here spouting so much nonsense. If you were so successful;, and spending so much time at sea you wouldn't be claiming benefits - How is that an independent lifestyle???? There are some interesting bits on this thread, then there is you, like a rash of ringworm on a dogs butt. Not wanted, hard to get rid of, and generally unpleasant.
You give bad advice, write bare faced lies, and illustrate your utter incompetence with some of the few pictures you post. You have no place on a forum like this where people come to share knowledge and experience.
I will get you a materials cost for a 36ft grp yacht. A proper one from a real factory, not an occasional build in a field, and a deluded hermit hiding in his sisters flat.
In the real world where people have jobs instead of sponging off their sisters and the state, the economics are different, TIME IS MONEY when you have a job, instead of bumming off the government. So a lot of people buy a boat insted of cobbling one together. Your estimate of hull build cost is only a small part of the cost of a boat anyway.
If the costs were so low, we would all be building them - except that at the smaller end of the market the weight penalty is so high, and they rust, and oh yes, nobody wants to buy an old one so resale values are nowhere.
I can understand why you have one, not having the money to buy charts or a plotter on your dole handout means you have to risk hitting reefs all the time .
SEEK GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT buy a decent welder, do a course, then come back to us with something real.

I've stopped reading BS's Walter Mitty diatribes. I suspect I am not alone in that. Once you wade through one, you've read them all.

If living on his sisters couch is in fact true, that could explain the seemingly fevered search for self worth and validation from an adoring audience.
I suspect he isn't going to find it here, he would be better off starting a commune somewhere.

 

[DownWest]

I suspect he isn't going to find it here, he would be better off starting a commune somewhere.

I think, after a quick look earlier, his origami forum IS the commune. It gets a bit 'religeous' there.
Others use the system (it is not his idea) often in aluminium. Just they don't shout about it all over the place and denigrate those that have other ideas.

 

[solent clown]

I think, after a quick look earlier, his origami forum IS the commune. It gets a bit 'religeous' there.
Others use the system (it is not his idea) often in aluminium. Just they don't shout about it all over the place and denigrate those that have other ideas.

It could be pretty much considered a metal version of sticth ad glue techniques used for wooden bhoats

 

[rotrax]

Your suggestion that I am wrong in suggesting there is a need to bevel the edges of thick plate for full penetration, and that I am wrong to suggest that the weld metal should exceed the thickness of the metal you are welding, along with your suggestion that you can look at the slag on top of a weld to determine the strength of a weld, or determine the strength of weld by looking at an online picture , clearly shows that at you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground ,when it comes to welding.
How many of your welds have survived 16 days of pounding on a Baja lee shore, in up to 12 ft surf, or equivalent.No driving around Europe is not the equivalent! Nowhere near it!

You are jumping to delusions again Brent.

In my posts on this subject I have, unlike you, never given ANY instruction on how to make a weld of any kind. I have never mentioned or suggested that you are wrong in not beveling edges of plate to be welded or that the weld should exceed the thickness of the metal you are welding. I have never implied or suggested that I can look at slag on top of a weld to determine its strength.

I have, however, stated quite clearly that any welds I have made have NEVER failed-and they have passed tech. inspection at racetracks all over the globe. The trailer that was used to carry the bikes never had a weld break either.

But the point I-and others-was making is that it is not difficult to make welds that are strong AND LOOK GOOD!

You keep giving us unproveable anecdotes about your welds not failing, which may very well have an element of truth in them.

But they still look like $h1T...........................

 

[rogerthebodger]

It could be pretty much considered a metal version of sticth ad glue techniques used for wooden bhoats

I was also thinking that

The method used to build one off GRP boats as I posted above is also similar.

 

[rotrax]

"When it comes to bull, trying to promote their importance, most welders are incredibly full of crap!"

I find the above to be true, especially in the case of home build origami steel boatbuilders..........................................

 

[rogerthebodger]

I find the above to be true, especially in the case of home build origami steel boatbuilders..........................................

Are you saying BS of full of BS

 

[JumbleDuck]

Are you saying BS of full of BS

 

[rogerthebodger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeAaq4XZcA0

 

[GHA]

The type of paint used and preparation is important.

Another headache for the cruising steel boat owner - arrive in another continent then try to find some good epoxy locally which will perform well when preparation isn't 100% perfect. Trouble is you'll need to wait at least 5 years to see if it's actually any good..
Ameron sealer was a favourite first coat but getting hard to find in europe these days.

 

[solent clown]

meanwhile, somewhere in BC.....

Waterworld by mark punksteel, on Flickr


Our hero rallies his Origami army....


Deacon-Image-5-waterworld-39414631-1224-688 by mark punksteel, on Flickr

A ten minute a year patching job, and it is all as good as new

deb95e_69c60862723d426c87f6b80760c7d047 by mark punksteel, on Flickr

...Even if our hero has the worst case of arc eye since last time he was hit by lighting - off a reef at Baja in a hurricane for 6 months. During that 6 months our intrepid hero was stuck by lightening to the head no fewer than 1000 times, this led to the development of his superpowers, (not a serious delusional condition) and he was reborn as BS, BIG STEEL, a man that can bend steel sheet with his mind, a man that pees a molten pool of tungsten, and passes fully formed keels

FysfL0rjSG1x by mark punksteel, on Flickr

All hail the metal hero, and all hail his rust conquering Origami army!

 

[Robin]

Hill bluddy air ius:biggrin-new::biggrin-new::biggrin-new:

 

[rogerthebodger]

Ameron sealer was a favourite first coat but getting hard to find in europe these days.

That's interesting do you mean Amerlock penetrating epoxy.

I have used this

http://flowcretesa.co.za/media/4996/tds-340-5-lv.pdf

Epoxy penetrating system on wood and ferro cement boats but not steel.

 

[GHA]

That's interesting do you mean Amerlock penetrating epoxy.

This stuff, first found out about it in the metal boat maintenace book -

https://www.ppgpmc.com/Products/P102/AMERLOCK-SEALER.aspx

https://books.google.pt/books?id=pe...etal boat maintenance amerlock sealer&f=false

Takes ages to go off and soaks into every little pore.

 

[rogerthebodger]

Looks like sigma coatings are part of PPG

https://www.ppgpmc.com/Contact-Us.aspx

I googled the telephone number

http://www.sigmacoatings.com/uk/decorative/

I have also found then in my neck of the woods so will contact them some time.

Thks for the info

 

[AngusMcDoon]

Brave soul builds scarily bad steel boat. Sails by shallows but sadly beaches ship. Bad style! But steel built sailing boat, seriously buffeted strongly by surf, braves seas. Boat survives by strength. But surely, better sailors by saviness, be safe by sailing beyond shorelines?

 

[JumbleDuck]

Brave soul builds scarily bad steel boat. Sails by shallows but sadly beaches ship. Bad style! But steel built sailing boat, seriously buffeted strongly by surf, braves seas. Boat survives by strength. But surely, better sailors by saviness, be safe by sailing beyond shorelines?

Brilliant story, best seen by sailors.

 

[Brent Swain]

And if your Uncle had tits he would be your Auntie!

Methinks he protesteth too much.....................................

Brent, I built a three bike motorcycle trailer from steel box section and channel in 1975.

With a stick welder. My recollection-it was a long time ago-is that none of the welds had slag deposits like your welds. There was slag, but not like the welds shown. IIRC, no grinding was required, it chipped off with a chisel end hammer and the welds were sand blasted before painting.

It is still giving good service, used frequently by a friend who purchased it from me in 2003.

No welds have broken and by comparison to the crap you present they are works of art. I have towed it, two bikes up, at over 100 MPH on European autobahns.

I was taught, during a proper 5 year indentured apprenticeship, that if a job is worth doing, its worth doing well.

It is a pity you dont have the same ethos.

IIRC Solent Clown is a steel and welding expert, far ahead of me. He is not impressed with your welding either.

If YOU are happy with the work you do, fine. But dont expect others with higher standards to applaud crap.

And, IMHO, your welding and ideas about strength show that your understanding of structural integrity is not all it could be.

And it is certainly not what it SHOULD be........................................

The suggestion being that 2 bikes on a trailer on the autobahn put he same load on welds as a 36 footer pounding in 12 ft surf?
The suggestion being that a one time photo of a weld with slag on, is indisputable proof that the slag was never, ever chipped off and cleaned?
Boy, your posts and arguments are getting feebler by the day!

 

[solent clown]

get of the sofa and make your sister some dinner for when she gets in you layabout, and stop harassing genuine sailors

 

[Brent Swain]

Brent, get yourself back down the dole office, buy some food to put in your sisters cupboard, and stop talking so very much nonsense. Just because you are lounging around your sibling's flat with nothing better to do you come on here spouting so much nonsense. If you were so successful;, and spending so much time at sea you wouldn't be claiming benefits - How is that an independent lifestyle???? There are some interesting bits on this thread, then there is you, like a rash of ringworm on a dogs butt. Not wanted, hard to get rid of, and generally unpleasant.
You give bad advice, write bare faced lies, and illustrate your utter incompetence with some of the few pictures you post. You have no place on a forum like this where people come to share knowledge and experience.
I will get you a materials cost for a 36ft grp yacht. A proper one from a real factory, not an occasional build in a field, and a deluded hermit hiding in his sisters flat.
In the real world where people have jobs instead of sponging off their sisters and the state, the economics are different, TIME IS MONEY when you have a job, instead of bumming off the government. So a lot of people buy a boat insted of cobbling one together. Your estimate of hull build cost is only a small part of the cost of a boat anyway.
If the costs were so low, we would all be building them - except that at the smaller end of the market the weight penalty is so high, and they rust, and oh yes, nobody wants to buy an old one so resale values are nowhere.
I can understand why you have one, not having the money to buy charts or a plotter on your dole handout means you have to risk hitting reefs all the time .
SEEK GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT buy a decent welder, do a course, then come back to us with something real.

The last time I was on the dole was 1972, in my early 20s.
I can count on one hand the times this year I have visited my sister. She has her own pension.
I live mostly around Heriot Bay and Cortes Island these days, a paradise my critics work all year to spend 3 weeks in. Some fly there from all over the world to spend 2 or 3 weeks there .Water in the ocean is too cold to swim in now, but the lakes are still warm. Good hunting here too. Anchorages are 3 to 5 miles apart, perfect hurricane holes.In summer I sometimes head north, one 35 mile stretch of which has over 811 islands. I have done ten trips to Haida Gwai and back. Great fishing and fantastic deer hunting up there. 15 deer annual limit.
What you are really complaining about is me having to much fun ,which I plead guilty to .Yes I am.
If you don't want to have too much fun ,don't get your advice form someone who is having too much fun! Instead, get it from his jealous critics, who don't believe in having fun.
I give bad advice, judgement based on your decades of hands on steel boat building ,living aboard , maintaining, and mostly full time cruising and ocean crossing experience, and the dozens of highly successful steel boats you have designed and built ?
Post some photos and evidence, that you know anything at all, from hands on experience with your own steel boats ! How much have you posted so far ?ZERO! How much useful info have you posed on steel boats? ZERO!
None of my critics have any experience on any one of my boats, those who have, love them. Search http://groups.yahoo.com/group/origamiboats for confirmation. Join ,and check the photos.You will see things being done which have been done for decades that critics say cant be done. Unlike other site, people there know what they are talking about. Almost 3,000 members, and decades of useful info to owners of any kind of boat, not just steel.
So how about posting some pictures of them, and some evidence that you have any any such experience, and are not just another bored kid in your parent's basement?Give us some evidence that you have any such experience to share with anyone .
You have given absolutely zero helpful advice for steel boat builders or owners.
The oil industry is subsidized to the tune of $5 billion annualy ,world wide. Now there is a welfare bum you should direct your energy at. If the govt offers you some of the money they sponge, you say you would turn it down, to not make the oil industry suffer?
Ya sure, we all believe you!
Time to leave your mommy's computer, Your mommy is calling you!
Met a guy on Quadra who loved it but was heading back to the city. He said "Back to reality."
I said "This IS reality.. Only those who want you running on their hamster whee,l for their benefit, not yours ,brainwash you into believing otherwise."
So hows many hamsters do you have running on your hamster wheel, for your benefit ,not theirs? Are you afraid guys like me will enable them to get off, and start taking care of their interests, instead of yours? Makes me a "Scary guy" to guys like you, doesn't it?