The new Trawler boater in this forum

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NBs said:
No problem. A large rudder and a big propulsion handle the job and if the wind, flow or other reason, I use the bow and stern truster, but I can do it without using the trusters.

The Nordig tug single engines is much easier to manover in the harbour etc. than my old 40 'fly bridge twins and bow trusters, due to the length of the keel my tug
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Video trip my NT Keel, hull, ruder and propeller (diameter 71 cm). Linking to my OneDrive cloud, should be opened for viewing, opening up a little bit slowly. P.S. You do not have to log in even if the window is open, close it or press the bottom of the window, then the video will start.

[video]https://1drv.ms/v/s!Avr4NhR_hWyLunhdQBPUKzoFo1u1[/video]

NBs
 
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MapisM said:
Yep M, that boat definitely has a single engine with separate levers.
They also use a lever for rudder control, as explained in the following video from 3:20 onward.
I've seen something similar on the rear helm station of some fishing boats also around here.

Hi,

Just so, one screw is behaving, of course, in different boats the differences. The same maneuver also happens moderately (600 rpm) at idle, like a pleasure boat in general.

NBS
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MapisM said:
Yep M, that boat definitely has a single engine with separate levers.
They also use a lever for rudder control, as explained in the following video from 3:20 onward.
I've seen something similar on the rear helm station of some fishing boats also around here.
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Thanks, thats a new one on me
 
NBs said:
Hi,

This was also important to me because I want to get to the EU channels. My tug bridge clearance is 3.45 and with a slight change I can get 3.30. The height is still too much for some channels but there are many channels and bridges to get under.

NBs
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Now that is interesting. I would have thought it was a bit higher so thanks for the tip. :)
 
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Hello,

I have also one engine and hydraulic bow and stern props: my trawler,a North Sea Trawler 57'OC, is 60 Tonnes, 57', we are two aboard and use the very efficient Dockmate remote control! With one engine, you must be calm, and slow.
 

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Nice vessel indeed. Can you tell us something about the builder? It isnt a model I've come across before
 
balder said:
Hello,

I have also one engine and hydraulic bow and stern props: my trawler,a North Sea Trawler 57'OC, is 60 Tonnes, 57', we are two aboard and use the very efficient Dockmate remote control! With one engine, you must be calm, and slow.
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Hi
Wov, really beautiful and cool trawler. She is a small ship, interesting you bulbi, I remember reading it reducing fuel consumption by about 5-10%. Can I ask a more detailed head motor for your Trawler?

NBs
 
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Hello, ( apologize for my broken english)

Thank you very much indeed for your compliments!
We sailed from the Netherlands to Gib and are currently berthed in Almérimar, before Canary Islands next spring and if " Dieu le veut" as we say in french, to Caribbean.
This ducth steel trawler is a Visser design built in 2010 by a Tinnemans' boatyard, serious boat builder in the Netherlands. Concept is: low air draught to be able to cruise the french waterways with an hydraulic arch and CAT A rating for atlantic crossing ( stabilizers, get home drive aux prop, full insulation, 3 tanks with polishing system 8300 Liters etc). Engine is John Deere 6081 M1 ( 24h running) with keel cooling ( Fernstrum). Of course, this displacment boat will not win the battle with a Princess 57 full throttle but may be when filling the tanks ( more or less 20 Liters / hour @ 1500 rpm and 7,5 knts with absolutely NO NOISE - Aquadrive transmission)
Some pictures of my pilothouse and saloon.
 

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balder said:
Hello,

I have also one engine and hydraulic bow and stern props: my trawler,a North Sea Trawler 57'OC, is 60 Tonnes, 57', we are two aboard and use the very efficient Dockmate remote control! With one engine, you must be calm, and slow.
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Very smart, any more photos you can post? What engine do you have?
 
longjohnsilver said:
Very smart, any more photos you can post? What engine do you have?
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His post states:
Engine is John Deere 6081 M1 ( 24h running) with keel cooling ( Fernstrum). Of course, this displacment boat will not win the battle with a Princess 57 full throttle but may be when filling the tanks ( more or less 20 Liters / hour @ 1500 rpm and 7,5 knts with absolutely NO NOISE - Aquadrive transmission)

It looks a superb vessel.
 
pks1702 said:
His post states:
Engine is John Deere 6081 M1 ( 24h running) with keel cooling ( Fernstrum). Of course, this displacment boat will not win the battle with a Princess 57 full throttle but may be when filling the tanks ( more or less 20 Liters / hour @ 1500 rpm and 7,5 knts with absolutely NO NOISE - Aquadrive transmission)

It looks a superb vessel.
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Thanks. Strangely the later posts have only just appeared on my iPad. It is a very impressive looking vessel.
 
balder said:
Hello, ( apologize for my broken english)
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Hello and welcome.
English is also for myself a non-native language, so I feel entitled to assure you that there's no need to apologize.
Just see what I already wrote in the second line of my previous post #7! :cool:

I very much like your fine vessel, also because she's one of the very few here in the asylum that really deserves the "trawler" definition, with her true displacement hull.
Out of curiosity, did you already cruise the Mediterranean with her? I'm asking because if not, heading for the Caribbean from Almerimar without seeing the Med first sounds to me like a missed opportunity.
Mind, I understand that your boat is capable of crossing oceans, but having seen a fair bit of both the Caribbean and the Med, I have zero doubt that the latter has overall much more to offer than the first, to anyone who likes going places by boat.
Then again, if you really like long passages as such, even if they can be boring at best and scaring at worst, well, each to their own, and fair winds! :encouragement:

That aside, I'm also curious about some technicalities of your boat:
1) by chance, was the bulbous bow retrofitted? In other steel trawlers that I've seen, originally designed and built with a bulb, the keel was extended up to the bottom of the bulb, and the thruster was placed inside the bulb itself.
2) talking of thrusters, how effective is the stern one? I'm asking because regardless of how powerful it is, Its placement is bound to be a limiting factor, because it's unusually far from the transom, where it's usually placed in order to increase its leverage.
3) is also the superstructure built in steel? For some reason, your pics reminds me of aluminum construction for it.

Impressive machine anyway, congratulations.
As a newcomer to the forum, you might not understand what I'm now saying, but among other things your boat is probably the only one who could compete with the esteemed forumite jfm in terms of number of Maretron displays... :D
 

Hi,

Thanks to the information she is on the actual Trawler, with one filling of approximately 2800 nm, nice does not have to plan a trip for fuel filling in mind. JD machine is definitely a reliable choice. Thanks for sharing us with a bit of your great LRC trawler.

NBs
 
Hello,

Thanks for the comments. I have done a lot of miles in Med from Tunisia, Malta ( the best!), Italy, Sardinia, Corsica etc ( with a smaller semi displacment "trawler"). To be honest, I am a little bit fed up with crowdy anchorages, super expansive marinas and crazy winds! Many french sailors like to go to Greece. Why not, but with Turquie so close, I am not sure for the next months...
About Caribbean, I will not remind the major issue: hurricanes and very expansive insurance fees..But the area is vey large from the south to the north and west including US and ICW .And the winter is warm...

About Balder VIII:
- the bulbous bow was initially fitted. I know there are differents opinions about it. In the Robert Beebe "Bible" - "Voyaging under power", some recommands to remove these bulbs. From my point of view and practice, the boat doesn't slam in rough water and with bulb we have a longer waterline. As well, it can be usefull againts OFNIS or ice debris in northern latitudes ( not my program at the moment!)
- yes the bow truster is quite far from the bow.It takes some space in the lazaret which is like a second engine room with airco, watermaker, diesel generator, and hydraulic pumps ( 3 for the steering). It is done like this because there is no "suspended" swmplatform . Later I should change this design and add 2 or 3 feet to this yacht to create a crew cabin in the last watertight area. As well, this bowthruster is deep under floatingline and powerfull ( Keypower). What is not perfect is about the maintenance. Not easy to reach in the tunnel without dismantling the transmission.
- yes the superstructure is built in steel. Doors on eachside and in the cockpit are aluminium made as well, windows frame with double insulation.( I have planned to make storm windows)

About offshore passages: I did a passage from Canary to Capo Verde and Barbados a long time ago ( I was younger....) with my beloved Fisher 37 "Balder IV", a fantastic english motorsailer built in Itchenor.
I know it can be boring and rough.With a motoryacht, you must be able to cope with electrical, mechanical or hydraulic failures.That's the deal. At sixty, I do not plan to play " à la roulette russe". Some Nordhavn owners and other trawlers like Dashew are doing this trip from US or Europe very year.

My winter project is to add paravanes for passive stabilization at anchor ( flopper stoppers). This stainless steel rig will also be used to fit a small get home sail on starboard and port side ( like on Dashew yachts). I am also interested by these new kites for powerboats but all the formulas existing at the moment do not look to be easily controlled by autopilots.
On the pictures: engine room: we have 1 micron double prefilters ( US) Gulf Coast Filters and same brand 1 micron fuel polishing system
On deck, flybridge: dry exhaust on the left. About material on deck, whe had before Flexiteek. We remove all this fake teak last winter. Not good for steel boat because this PVC material is not 100% waterproof and also not always confortable. we have replaced it after new paint by Kiwigrip anti slip paint.

About Nordic Tugs, they are fantastic yachts, with a very good reputation in US ( have a look on Passagemaker magazine, they are now building a new 495 model.

Amitiés nautiques!
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Hi Balder,

if you want to learn more about parvanes and flover stoppers I recommend you also join the US forum called "Trawler forum" for a very active conversation when requesting information or assistance. You can get a lot of information about everything about Trawler or cruises around the world.

NBS
 
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Bonjour NBs,

yes, what you wrote is true: trawlerforum is also a great forum to chat about trawler as well "trawler and trawlering".

About flopper stopper and stabilization, there is so much litterature!
Google: paravane stabilization-fish -
It depends which type of stabilization you are looking for: only at anchor or at anchor and underway?
Underway, you need a very serious rig, with strong poles and reinforced hull, deck or flybridge, if paravanes. ( the cheapest option, maby be considered as uggly..)
Company: Forespar - Primefabrication- Pacificnetandwine.com ( for fish) - englundmarine ( the stano model) Fisheries supply.com -
At anchor, it is more "light" but still require well thought fittings and system easy to deploy and recover. ( magma flopperstopper)
Other option, hydraulic stabilization with fins etc, another story. Aboard we have the Keypower stabs. ( now Kobelt.com)
We appreciate a lot the system connected to GPS with a gyro. Very efficient, price to pay: more or less half a knot. ( and the bill....)
 
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