The new Rustler 37

[PlankWalker]

Fat a$ed average white/blue boat, why would Rustler want to compete in the Bavaria market?

 

[Tranona]

Fat a$ed average white/blue boat, why would Rustler want to compete in the Bavaria market?

Firstly they are not competing with Bavaria as the boat is nearly 3 times the price. Secondly they are interested in selling boats by meeting paying customers' needs, not satisfying people who are not buyers.

 

[jonjo]

Fat a$ed average white/blue boat, why would Rustler want to compete in the Bavaria market?

They are competing with HR.

 

[jonjo]

http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives/prior-30/g8057-engine.jpg and http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives/prior-30/g8057-saloon-wwa.jpg show relatively recent photos of a saloon-table-base engine installation on a British yacht built in the 1960s. Done well, it's a very good place for an engine: easy access, weight central, etc.

I can see hoards of narrow boaters heading off down the M5 to Rustler yachts to place an order. They are going to be disappointed to hear that this objet d'art taking pride of place in the saloon is not a Bolinder that idles at 100 rpm with loads of shiny brass..

 

[West Coast]

Actually it's much more recent than 30 years and has been proven to only be daft if you do it badly.

Have you ever been on a Rustler 42 which has the same approach?

It isn't hot as it's insulated.
It doesn't smell as it's properly ventilated and exhausted (there's a new word I made up).
It doesn't vibrate, as it's built properly. In fact you can early hear the engine on a 42.
It's great to sit on.
Easily removed panels give so much better engine access than most boats of the size.
Weight distribution-wise, it's over the keel, which is a big plus.

I like it.

Agreed on all points. My starlight is now 21 years on, with this arrangement, and works very well, particularly with the sail drive unit I have. It is perhaps a little noisier but not unduly so. Besides, we are talking sailing boats here. It will be even better with more modern, and quieter, engine.

 

[Daydream believer]

Oh great just what I always wanted, a hot smelly vibrating saloon seat. .

Would suit my mother in laws hot smelly vibrating ( well, wobbly) seat beautifully

 

[Ex-SolentBoy]

They are competing with HR.

Perhaps in the fact that both companies supply boats in a certain price range, but otherwise I think they have a very different ethos.

Rustler have a base boat design, but each boat is highly configured and in some cases customised for each owner. Compared to this approach HR have a very minor list of options.

I am not saying which is better, just that they are different and each to his own.

I have owned two Rustlers, and looked at many HR's. I know what I prefer.

If you are a buyer then don't take my opinion. Go to the boat show, look at both, talk to both companies and see what suits you best.

 

[Seven Spades]

I believe that the R37 was based upon the old Starlight 35 with a Rustler rear end. Without the inner liner it has more accommodation, I am looking forward to seeing it but I think the price is around £330K

 

[Ex-SolentBoy]

I believe that the R37 was based upon the old Starlight 35 with a Rustler rear end. Without the inner liner it has more accommodation, I am looking forward to seeing it but I think the price is around £330K

That was the original idea, but it was not taken forward. Instead they opted for a completely new design, based on the Rustler 42.

 

[Ru88ell]

There was a brand spankers one out in Carrick Roads today. She seemed to be going very well.

 

[Ex-SolentBoy]

There was a brand spankers one out in Carrick Roads today. She seemed to be going very well.

Well, there is only one complete, so you were looking at the one in the photo and the boat that will be at SIBS.

Today was a review and photoshoot for the magazines I understand.

 

[Robert Wilson]

Leaving aside all the oohs! aahhhs! and buts! I notice the pic shows the R37 has a loose-foot main. And a kicker.
What does a kicker do for a loose-foot main, apart from put a downward bend on the boom, which presumably is also done by the coach-roof main tackle?

I ask as a complete ignorant of loose-foot mains.

 

[jonjo]

What does a kicker do for a loose-foot main, apart from put a downward bend on the boom

Either the boom breaks or after bending a bit the end of the boom pulls the clew down. Basic physics really.

which presumably is also done by the coach-roof main tackle?

Not once the boom is out on for a broadreach.

 

[prv]

What does a kicker do for a loose-foot main, apart from put a downward bend on the boom, which presumably is also done by the coach-roof main tackle?

Exactly the same as on any other main - keeps the boom down and the leech tight. When close-hauled the kicker is redundant as the mainsheet does the same job, but the further out the boom is the less downward pull from the mainsheet.

None of this is specific to a loose-footed sail, and there isn't any significant bend in the boom.

Pete

 

[jonjo]

Agreed on all points. My starlight is now 21 years on, with this arrangement, and works very well, particularly with the sail drive unit I have.

Hang on this does not make sense. One minute we are being told how good it is to have the mass of the keel and engine vertically aligned and now you add a saildrive leg. How much horizontal separation is there between prop and keel?

And (broader question) why is such close proximity of engine and keel mass a good idea? Imagine a yacht with 100% of its mass concentrated at a single point in the keel and hence zero rotational inertia, the motion would be horrible.

 

[grumpy_o_g]

Hang on this does not make sense. One minute we are being told how good it is to have the mass of the keel and engine vertically aligned and now you add a saildrive leg. How much horizontal separation is there between prop and keel?

And (broader question) why is such close proximity of engine and keel mass a good idea? Imagine a yacht with 100% of its mass concentrated at a single point in the keel and hence zero rotational inertia, the motion would be horrible.

So would the radiation from the event horizon...

 

[Bru]

I can see hoards of narrow boaters heading off down the M5 to Rustler yachts to place an order. They are going to be disappointed to hear that this objet d'art taking pride of place in the saloon is not a Bolinder that idles at 100 rpm with loads of shiny brass..

You are misinformed sir. It's Russell Newburys &c that have loads of shiny brass and idle slowly

Bolinders are big black evil *******s that'll break your leg if you let em and idle at whatever damn speed they like (usually somewhere in the vicinity of 30 rpm)

I actually don't know of a single leisure narrowboat fitted with a Bolinder, they're just way too much trouble (there probably is some nutter who's done it though)

 

[jordanbasset]

I am a heathen but it fails in two ways for me straight away, the cockpit does not look large enough to lie flat on and no swim platform. Is inmast furling an option, if not it has failed in 3 ways

 

[Kelpie]

Oh great just what I always wanted, a hot smelly vibrating saloon seat. It must be 30 years since a yacht manufacturer was daft enough to try that.

If it's not for you, then don't buy one,

I like having the engine in the saloon. When I'm motoring, I'm not in the saloon, I'm keeping watch. It's a form if central heating, if you take the covers off, which we find really useful. And access is fantastic.

 

[Robert Wilson]

Either the boom breaks or after bending a bit the end of the boom pulls the clew down. Basic physics really.


Not once the boom is out on for a broadreach.

Exactly the same as on any other main - keeps the boom down and the leech tight. When close-hauled the kicker is redundant as the mainsheet does the same job, but the further out the boom is the less downward pull from the mainsheet.

None of this is specific to a loose-footed sail, and there isn't any significant bend in the boom.

Pete

As I said, "ignorant"

Of course, it does exactly what you say.
Sometimes I think I'll never remember all that I have had pass through my five senses into the grey sponge - even the simple stuff !!

Thank you.

And as an aside, I actually like the "engine in the middle idea", if for no other reason than ease of access for maintenance etc. And having been aboard one at SIBS I didn't find it inconvenient in the saloon.