The London International No Boat Show

[richardbrennan]

Went to LIBS yesterday and was amazed at how few yachts were being exhibited. No HRs, No Malo, no Dufour and even the Bavs and Bennies etc. were down to two or three boats. But to really illustrate how desperate things were, the Black and White Bar had run out of Guiness by 4.30 in the afternoon!

I really do not see this show surving. I spoke to an exhibitor on the Oyster Stand (just looking) and his view was the industry now viewed LIBS down market event, it was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they would much rather support the newly proposed show in liverpool as an alternative.

 

[photodog]

they would much rather support the newly proposed show in liverpool as an alternative.

If they think that Libs is in a terrible spot.... with easy motorway access to 5 international airports... attached to one of the largest cities in the world, direct LRT connection... two hours from as far north as Nottingham... Wait till they try Liverpool..

 

[richardbrennan]

I think the thinking behind the support for Liverpool was base on the fact that it would attract visitors other than us southern and perhaps east coast yachties rather than its ease of access.

 

[WALLY]

I dont understand the fuss about getting to Excel. Which part of it is supposed to be difficult?

Is it the Motorways pretty much all the way there?

Is it the lots of parking available?

Is it the actually on the whole good public transport in the area?


At the end of the day wherever the boat show is held there will be people that moan about it.

It is where it is, it's not compulsory to attend.

 

[LadyInBed]

they would much rather support the newly proposed show in Liverpool as an alternative.

But would there be any boats left when the exhibitors returned the next day?

 

[photodog]

But would there be any boats left when the exhibitors returned the next day?

They will have to pay the neighborhood kids £1 to "Watch yer boat mister" over night..

When I used to cover Anfield I used to do them a deal... 50p up front another 50p when I got back....

Still had me hubcaps stolen one day... and he still wanted his extra 50p.

 

[bigwow]

They will have to pay the neighborhood kids £1 to "Watch yer boat mister" over night..

When I used to cover Anfield I used to do them a deal... 50p up front another 50p when I got back....

Still had me hubcaps stolen one day... and he still wanted his extra 50p.

I’m not even going to rise to this stereotypical, mythological bull****.

Liverpool doesn’t even figure in the national crime statistics these days.

The motorway network coming in and out of Liverpool are second to none, an airport almost as close as the London Docklands to Excel, but instead of a background of a large canal it has an iconic world famous waterfront to backdrop a boatshow.


Back to the thread, I thought there was a dearth of boats, only one multihull and all the ones afloat a lottery winner could not afford, engine manufacturers were thin on the ground and it looked as if Mailspeed had been given loads of unsold space?

 

[Richard Shead]

Sunday was quiet towards the end

Went to LIBS yesterday and was amazed at how few yachts were being exhibited. No HRs, No Malo, no Dufour and even the Bavs and Bennies etc. were down to two or three boats. But to really illustrate how desperate things were, the Black and White Bar had run out of Guiness by 4.30 in the afternoon!

I really do not see this show surving. I spoke to an exhibitor on the Oyster Stand (just looking) and his view was the industry now viewed LIBS down market event, it was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they would much rather support the newly proposed show in liverpool as an alternative.

But they had not run out of Guinness trust me....

 

[Ubergeekian]

But would there be any boats left when the exhibitors returned the next day?

Yes, but they'll be propped up on bricks with the keels gone for scrap.

 

[Ubergeekian]

I’m not even going to rise to this stereotypical, mythological bull****.

Liverpool doesn’t even figure in the national crime statistics these days.

Google is your friend.

Compared to the national average rates, Liverpool has

• 2.5 times as many robberies
• 2 times as many burglaries
• 65% more thefts of motor vehicles
• 50% more thefts from motor vehicles
• 33% more crimes against the person
• 20% fewer sexual offences

http://www.upmystreet.com/local/crime-in-liverpool.html

 

[timbartlett]

Google is your friend.

Compared to the national average rates, Liverpool has

• 2.5 times as many robberies
• 2 times as many burglaries
• 65% more thefts of motor vehicles
• 50% more thefts from motor vehicles
• 33% more crimes against the person
• 20% fewer sexual offences

http://www.upmystreet.com/local/crime-in-liverpool.html

And compared to the national average rates, London has

• 4.3 times as many robberies
• 1.8 times as many burglaries
• 52% more thefts of motor vehicles
• 79% more thefts from motor vehicles
• 73% more crimes against the person
• 12% fewer sexual offences

http://www.upmystreet.com/local/crime-in-london.html

 

[Heckler]

I dont understand the fuss about getting to Excel. Which part of it is supposed to be difficult?

Is it the Motorways pretty much all the way there?

Is it the lots of parking available?

Is it the actually on the whole good public transport in the area?


At the end of the day wherever the boat show is held there will be people that moan about it.

It is where it is, it's not compulsory to attend.

The fuss about getting to Excel!!!! Llangollen to Excel is a ball breaker, 5 - 6 hours at least, M25 yuk! £10 to park, £80 for the night cause I cant drive there and back in a day! Soul less place. God knows what its like for someone north of us. Been twice never again!!
SIBS three and a half hours max, £5 parking all day, always seems to sunshine there, buzzing place, no contest.
The NEC would be better, central for most of us, Liverpool would be good for us, but not for you southern wusses I suspect.
Anyway I cant see LIBS on next year!
Stu

 

[photodog]

I’m not even going to rise to this stereotypical, mythological bull****.

Wellll I can assure you that there is no mythology being created here...

From 1991 to 1993 I covered LFC for the Press Association.. I parked on Lothair Road, outside of a house which I used to use to process and wire the pictures from...and every game I covered I paid a couple of kids from the street... always the same kids I might add... to watch my Astramax van....In fact IIRC it was a bit more than £1... I think it was 2 or 3 even...

So, no myths here... absolute truth... I doubt if there was any real risk to the Van... but I liked to encourage their enterprise..

 

[bigwow]

Google is your friend.

Compared to the national average rates, Liverpool has

• 2.5 times as many robberies
• 2 times as many burglaries
• 65% more thefts of motor vehicles
• 50% more thefts from motor vehicles
• 33% more crimes against the person
• 20% fewer sexual offences

http://www.upmystreet.com/local/crime-in-liverpool.html

Just 1 from your list, I couldn't be bothered with any more, 65% more thefts of motor vehicles. Not even in the top 20! 7 in the top 20 in London though.

http://www.theftprotect.co.uk/library/articles/1d.Car Crime By District League Table PDF.pdf

 

[bigwow]

Wellll I can assure you that there is no mythology being created here...

From 1991 to 1993 I covered LFC for the Press Association.. I parked on Lothair Road, outside of a house which I used to use to process and wire the pictures from...and every game I covered I paid a couple of kids from the street... always the same kids I might add... to watch my Astramax van....In fact IIRC it was a bit more than £1... I think it was 2 or 3 even...

So, no myths here... absolute truth... I doubt if there was any real risk to the Van... but I liked to encourage their enterprise..

So Liverpool is the only place not to have changed in the last 17ys, I know the London docklands area was as bad if not worse but doesn't get the same old stuff trotted out everytime it's named.

 

[photodog]

Why do the Liverpudlians have such a chip on their shoulder? Are they ashamed of their history??

The simple fact is... Liverpool is a proper big city... Liverpudlians have always played on their "Hard Man" image... and why not? And now you all are telling us its a myth???

There is nothing unique about crime in a big city.. goes with the territory and its part of the experience.... adds the frisson...

Or are Liverpudlians now just a bunch of latte drinking ladee-da types were everyone is friendly and I can leave my convertable safely unlocked in even the worst neighborhood?

Were is the fun in that??

I used to work from the dugout in front of the Kop. I used to get spat on... rubbish thrown at me... obscenities.. etc etc...

Until one day I was looking down the lens and I saw the ball coming straight at me... I turned the camera away.. and at the same moment the ball came between the bars... smacked me on the forehead... went straight back out and directly into the hands of Ian Rush... to much cheering.

I never had anymore problems ... I had earned their respect... and I was actually proud of that.

If Liverpool is full of a bunch of softies now... then why should I give a stuff about offending them? What happened to their self respect?

I mean they used to build SHIPS... and fight Nazis and stuff...

If I go to Liverpool... I dont want to feel like I'm in the fecking Cotswolds... or worse... Cheshire... I want to be afraid.... I want the thrill of worrying that if I look at some hard shaven headed ******* the wrong way he'll bounce my bonce like a football half way to Blackpool.

Do Liverpudlians really want to surrender their hardman image to Nottingham??? Aka Shottingham.... Cause I tell you.. when people talk about this town they show respect... they are genuinely afraid one of us bad-boys is gonna cap-em in the ass.

And its put us on the map... we are well chuffed. We are a proper city now..

Now, stop letting us all down... and get out their and drink some skol and steal some cars.

You know you want to... its in your blood.

 

[bigwow]

Why do the Liverpudlians have such a chip on their shoulder? Are they ashamed of their history??

The simple fact is... Liverpool is a proper big city... Liverpudlians have always played on their "Hard Man" image... and why not? And now you all are telling us its a myth???

There is nothing unique about crime in a big city.. goes with the territory and its part of the experience.... adds the frisson...

Or are Liverpudlians now just a bunch of latte drinking ladee-da types were everyone is friendly and I can leave my convertable safely unlocked in even the worst neighborhood?

Were is the fun in that??

I used to work from the dugout in front of the Kop. I used to get spat on... rubbish thrown at me... obscenities.. etc etc...

Until one day I was looking down the lens and I saw the ball coming straight at me... I turned the camera away.. and at the same moment the ball came between the bars... smacked me on the forehead... went straight back out and directly into the hands of Ian Rush... to much cheering.

I never had anymore problems ... I had earned their respect... and I was actually proud of that.

If Liverpool is full of a bunch of softies now... then why should I give a stuff about offending them? What happened to their self respect?

I mean they used to build SHIPS... and fight Nazis and stuff...

If I go to Liverpool... I dont want to feel like I'm in the fecking Cotswolds... or worse... Cheshire... I want to be afraid.... I want the thrill of worrying that if I look at some hard shaven headed ******* the wrong way he'll bounce my bonce like a football half way to Blackpool.

Do Liverpudlians really want to surrender their hardman image to Nottingham??? Aka Shottingham.... Cause I tell you.. when people talk about this town they show respect... they are genuinely afraid one of us bad-boys is gonna cap-em in the ass.

And its put us on the map... we are well chuffed. We are a proper city now..

Now, stop letting us all down... and get out their and drink some skol and steal some cars.

You know you want to... its in your blood.

I’m afraid this scouse macho image will never be mine as I’m from Surrey!


However her indoors may exact retribution if you visit the Liverpool boat show.

 

[Ubergeekian]

And compared to the national average rates, London has

• 4.3 times as many robberies
• 1.8 times as many burglaries
• 52% more thefts of motor vehicles
• 79% more thefts from motor vehicles
• 73% more crimes against the person
• 12% fewer sexual offences

http://www.upmystreet.com/local/crime-in-london.html

OK, so given that Scousers are doing the twoccing and burglaries while Lahndahners are doing the muggings and robberies, who's doing the sexual offences? It can't all be Norfolk, surely?

 

[Ubergeekian]

From 1991 to 1993 I covered LFC for the Press Association.. I parked on Lothair Road, outside of a house which I used to use to process and wire the pictures from...and every game I covered I paid a couple of kids from the street... always the same kids I might add... to watch my Astramax van...

Glasgow tale, possibly apocryphal. A man is parking his car near Ibrox on a match day when a young boy walk up to him...

Wee boy: Mind yer motor for a pound, mister?

Man: No thanks (Points to big, fierce alsatian dog in car)

Wee boy: (calling to his friend across the road) Haw, Erchie, have a look at this. It's a dug that can pit oot fires.

 

[samwise]

Do we really need a boat show?

I think the thread has been hijacked here in favour of a discussion on the crime rates of various fine cities. I think one of the key requirements for any show, boats, cars, aeroplanes or whatever, is the ability to generate an atmosphere, a buzz or whatever you want to call it. Southampton BS has, to my mind, always had it and not just because it is staged at a time of year when we are not shivering and damp in **** weather. Earls Court had it back in the "old days" but did fall short on the facilities visitors were expecting.

Excel and NEC are both big barns, custom built to provide space in which exhibitors can spread their stands as widely as they can afford. The problem is that in order to stand any chance of generating the "atmosphere" the area really need to be filled. Not crammed up cheek by jowl but open spaces and stands that are clearly stretched to fill tend to look like recession-hit shopping centres.

Wherever you consider staging your show , you will always have to tackle the problem of the great north/south divide. Southerners are not keen to cross the Watford Parallel and anyone north of that resents having to bow to the Londoncentric lobby. Visitor numbers are to my mind not the key indicator we should be looking at. The relevant number for exhibitors is how much business was generated by being there or could they get the same result from a good website and customer service operation. It may be that we don't need a Boat Show at all!