The last chapter - Gludy Saga Sequel

jfm said:
2. Latest example last year, as discussed on here. TC's son is now running a newco operating from the same Trader/Tarquin premises, having bought the business from the bankrupt co for £400k
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Trader/Newco are no longer operating from those premises - I believe they have finally 'gone under' although their website is still operation (out of date contact info) ..
The buildings used by Trader have now got a chandlery and a proper woodworking boat builder in - whether this has provided employment for ex-Trader employees or not I don't know.
Hopefully this will be the end of 'Trader' as such - how Tony Chappell could continue to operate in this way just beggars belief ... hopefully there will be (or is) a criminal investigation that will allow creditors to take his assets ... oh and his possessions ;)
 
fireball said:
Trader/Newco are no longer operating from those premises - I believe they have finally 'gone under' although their website is still operation (out of date contact info) ..
The buildings used by Trader have now got a chandlery and a proper woodworking boat builder in - whether this has provided employment for ex-Trader employees or not I don't know.
Hopefully this will be the end of 'Trader' as such - how Tony Chappell could continue to operate in this way just beggars belief ... hopefully there will be (or is) a criminal investigation that will allow creditors to take his assets ... oh and his possessions ;)
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I expect his primary assets will turn out to belong to his wife ;)

I seem to recall that, after the most recent Tarquin NewCo was set up, it subsequently emerged that the builders of the boats (in Taiwan) held the rights to a couple of the better selling models and Tarquin were being prevented from selling them in the UK. If true, and if that's the cause of the NewCo going under, it would seem that the biter has been bit for once.

Doesn't really make up for all the other times, mind you.
 
Nick_H said:
Can an individual make a criminal prosecution, or just a civil one?
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Oh yes, for sure. The CPS don't like it and have various tactics to frustrate it if they think the prosecution is vexatious, (by taking it over under sec 6 of POA85, then shelving it/discontinuing it) but they might not do that here. But yes, in principle a private person can bring a criminal prosecution to the court. (HMRC and HSE do it directly, without using the CPS, frexample. i know they are public bodies but they are in the same position as Joe Public on this point)

EDIT - for geeks it's all here: CPS guidance on when they will/won't frustrate a private prosecution
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/private_prosecutions/
 
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fireball said:
Trader/Newco are no longer operating from those premises - I believe they have finally 'gone under' although their website is still operation (out of date contact info) ..
The buildings used by Trader have now got a chandlery and a proper woodworking boat builder in - whether this has provided employment for ex-Trader employees or not I don't know.
Hopefully this will be the end of 'Trader' as such - how Tony Chappell could continue to operate in this way just beggars belief ... hopefully there will be (or is) a criminal investigation that will allow creditors to take his assets ... oh and his possessions ;)
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Ah, thanks, interesting. Are you saying that the Newco that took over the Trader business seems to have come to a fairly abrupt end then, apparently? Does anyone know whether a buyer can actually buy a new Trader any more from Tarquin (whichever phoenix cpmpany is currently out there...), or is the only route to get a Monte Fino branded boat now (which will of course be built in the same factory as built the Traders)?
 
jhr said:
Unsuprisingly, TC "Declined to be interviewed by the BBC" but he did issue a statement, saying that he was personally committed to sorting out a couple of unresolved issues which included, iirc, the £10k "not yet paid" :) to the vendor of the Trader......
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No mention of the £57k he still owes the same lady.

Al.
 
fireball said:
Trader/Newco are no longer operating from those premises - I believe they have finally 'gone under' although their website is still operation (out of date contact info) ..
The buildings used by Trader have now got a chandlery and a proper woodworking boat builder in - whether this has provided employment for ex-Trader employees or not I don't know.
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I did notice the same the other day when I went down there briefly (live just down the road) - like you say, the chandlery has moved to where the Tarquin main office was etc, however I did notice that the offices above where the chandlery used to be were bearing the name 'Trader Motor Yachts" - couldn't see anyone in there though...
 
I'm not entirely sure - I read on here about the pheonix co, and saw the offices with lights on, but since the late summer/autumn everything has changed in the yard - offices now vacant and the buildings re-leased to other co.s ... a general reshuffle!
I did a quick search on the brand last night and it came up with their website - but address was still Emsworth Yacht Harbour - which it blatantly isn't - and if they'd carried on then I'd expect them to have updated the contact details - so can only assume they've finally gone.
As for - can you still buy a new Trader - there are a number of links to brokers/dealers - but they seem to deal in s/h boats ...
But ExplorerYachts in Cardiff have the rights to distrubte Monte Fino boats in the UK & Ireland ... a quick search on CO's house says that this was Marlow Yachts UK Ltd and their status is: Status: Active - Proposal to Strike off which sounds a bit sinister - but I guess I wouldn't be buying through them!!
 
jfm said:
Just watched it. I can't understand why he isn't prosecuted criminally for fraud, for selling a boat on brokerage for £300k and telling its owner that it sold for £290, so as to pocket the £10k. I just can't see how that isn't fraud. I guess the police are too busy? Shame.
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It is. FWIW, I can't go into details for obvious reasons but an ex employee of mine is about to be prosecuted for a similar activity ie. falsifying company documents for his own personal gain. My experience with Plod is that they won't investigate a crime like this unless they are pushed and pushed. In our case, we gave them the detailed documentary evidence on a plate and it still took them 2 years to present the case to the CPS. During that time, the detective investigating the case changed 3 times and I gather this is quite common.
In Chappell's case, obviously it needs somebody to make a complaint to Plod and then keep hassling them. Basically it needs somebody with a gludy-like perseverance. It shouldn't be like that but unfortunately, Plod doesn't pursue these cases with as much zeal as prosecuting speeding motorists
 
MapisM said:
Am I alone in reading an angry prosecuted speeding motorist between the lines?... :D
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No, touching wood crossing fingers, I haven't had a speeding fine in many years but it is true that UK Plod does seem to like persecuting motorists because it's easy money and ignore more difficult crimes like white collar fraud
 
MapisM said:
Am I alone in reading an angry prosecuted speeding motorist between the lines?... :D
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Nope. Deleted User is absolutely right. Plod deals with murders and speeding motorists. But the hugh chunk of middle ranking crimes in between get no attention

Here's an example - my own 2009 experiences of plod consisted of 2 things. First, a property I own was burned down, arson/vandals, costing £1m++ for the rebuild. Big fire - 9 fire engines and 34 firemen. (Insured, btw!). Plod spent less time on that than they would prosecuting a motorist. Second, I was detained in a police car for a full 35minutes at the side of the road, had my car insurance all checked etc etc, all becuase my rear number plate was dirty. Yup, Deleted User is 100% correct, sadly.
 
Funny, I must say that my own (limited) experience as speeding motorist in the UK is not that bad.
After a trip in the UK (where I drove around quite a bit), I received from Avon and Somerset Police a reminder related to a "Notice of Intended Prosecution for a traffic offence". The reminder also mentioned a penalty and a request to either send my license or apply for a workshop (?!?).
But as it happens, I only got the reminder, not the Notice itself. So, I emailed the police explaining that I had no clue about what I did and how much/to whom I should pay - not to mention returning to the UK to attend a workshop...
They asked me to call a phone number, which I did. But I gave up after 20+ minutes of a message asking to wait on line.
So, I emailed them again, explaining that I wasn't able to talk with anybody, and gave them my phone number.
After another couple of email, they finally confirmed that since I was just a visitor to the UK, they were not going to take any further action.

PS: Coming to think of it, which sort of workshop have I missed? I could have met most of the forumites, maybe?... :D
 
MapisM said:
Coming to think of it, which sort of workshop have I missed? I could have met most of the forumites, maybe?... :D
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Pah, workshop. You can only have been doing 90mph or so. No, Deleted User, me and and others in here would never qualify for a workshop invitation. Indeed, we'd take it as a bit of an insult. Workshops are for minor offenders, nice people who might learn from their offence and not do it again. We are serious hoodlums and would be brought straight befoe the court (whereupon our lawyer would get us off)

Only kidding (a bit) :-)
 
jfm said:
Pah, workshop. You can only have been doing 90mph or so. No, Deleted User, me and and others in here would never qualify for a workshop invitation. Indeed, we'd take it as a bit of an insult. Workshops are for minor offenders, nice people who might learn from their offence and not do it again. We are serious hoodlums and would be brought straight befoe the court (whereupon our lawyer would get us off)

Only kidding (a bit) :-)
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Are not Euro Plods getting together soon such that heinous offenders like Mapism will be chased down in their own countries for traffic offences committed overseas? Good thing too, I say. I always thought it was a bit unfair that we Brits had to pay on the spot speeding fines in France and yet Johnny Foreigner gets away with a mind how you go in the UK
 
Nick_H said:
Can an individual make a criminal prosecution, or just a civil one? I guess if TC pays the £10k back, and he probably will do, then there's no civil case to answer, at least on that point. Seems wrong though, that the worst case situation for the perpetrator is to pay back what he's stolen? Hardly motivates him not to steal in the first place.
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This is Britain, where our politicians lead by example.

"Whoops!Did I take money fraudulently? I'll just pay it back then!"
 
jfm said:
Pah, workshop. You can only have been doing 90mph or so. No, Deleted User, me and and others in here would never qualify for a workshop invitation. Indeed, we'd take it as a bit of an insult.
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Oi, I just had a shabby TT 2.0, that's all Hertz at Stansted had to offer.
And I don't fancy speeding on motorways anyhow.
But I must say that I enjoyed the road from Rochford to EBY frinstance.
On my way back (after the first look at the road), I could have possibly averaged 90mph on THAT route.
I bet that at the Shepherd & Dog someone is still complaining about that!...
 
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