The Gludy V Chappel Saga

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Paul , I hope you don't mind me sticking my nose in again and I also hope you don't object to the following e mail that I've now sent to TC . I doubt he'll respond but I think he should so let's give him a chance , and I also understand that you're avoiding replies , I presume for legal reasons .



Dear Mr Chappel,

I am currently writing to you to discuss the series of events surrounding the situation of one of your customers, Paul Burgess.

As I am certain you are aware, there has been many a discussion on the travesty which has occurred taking place through the Yachting and Boating World Forums, involving often hundreds of members who are all disgusted yet enthralled at how such disgraceful treatment of a customer can take place. We are a large community of boaters who spend a lot of time ensuring that those who would like help or wish to give help have a friendly place to go, and many problems or queries are sorted often instantaneously, and the thousands of members observing allow us to hold great influence as a whole.

However, there has been an ongoing 'saga' which has remained at the forefront of the minds of YBW viewers. This, of course, is the story relating to yourself and the entire company you represent, Trader Yachts. Over the course of the year we have been kept up to date on the progression, or perhaps lack of it, regarding the disastrous problems with Mr Burgess's yacht and your company has quite rightly suffered for it.

I wish to formally invite you today to join our community and help us try and understand your company's position, if at least to make an effort to defend your workers, without whom your company would presumably consist of nothing and deserve a lot more than the comments made about them by those angry at the scenario.

We can be an extremely pleasant community but do not appreciate being messed around, and we can be fair once a position is made clear. An example can be made which occurred today - One of our fellow members requested our advice after supposedly encountering a problem with a sail company. The point was discussed and the reputation of said company was affected. No sooner had this taken place the owner was kindly asked to visit the site to make their point known - suffice to say the problem was sorted a lot quicker and the company very much went up in the estimations of many who commented.

I must admit that it is hard for me to understand why you have no made this effort already. Had you have been reading the topics surely you would have read about the forum member who asked our advice on one of the largest yachts in your range and was subsequently disgusted and very much dissuaded from buying from you - he has returned today to inform us all that he has taken his business to one of your competitors and spent a very large sum. If my company was in this position I would be doing the best i could to help rather than enrage, I am frankly appalled at this apparent act of cowardice.

I hope you will join us for all the reasons stated above and I look forward to discussing your company's point of view.

Regards,


David

Sailroom Ltd



Web : www.sailroom.co.uk
 
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I also understand that you're avoiding replies , I presume for legal reasons.

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I think you may have answered your own email here. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

If TC thought a forum contribution was going to help, I think he would have done so. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
It's a nice idea, but I'd imagine Mr Chappel's immediate reaction would be along the lines of "What the [--word removed--]'s it got to do with you??"

Even though Gludy has chosen to go public, we must remember that the dispute is between him and Trader...I'm sure Paul is more than capable of fighting his own battles.
 
Maybe I am missing something here ? Trader is a dealer based organisation in the UK, with a (?) Head Office somewhere out East .

They must surely be aware of the damage that is being done to their reputation on a world-wide basis, and I would be an extremely worried main board member if I knew that this OD issue was likely to hit the TV in the near future.

If there is a UK based company looking after Trader's interests, then there is a statutory duty on the board to report risks affecting the trading position in the Annual Report. Has anyone seen anything of that nature ?
 
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...I'm sure Paul is more than capable of fighting his own battles.

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I agree but if we as a group can help that cant be bad

lets face it mr u no who will ignore our comments but if hundreds of emails hit his inbox and the inboxes OF THE OTHER DEALERS then he might have to deal with the problem sooner

Lets face it the other dealers wont like the idea that Traders reputation is at stake here

and as such can put pressure on our venerable friend
 
Trader is Trader at Emsworth.... the factory in Taiwan is an independent outfit who will & do build for anyone who fetches up with the money; so no head office except Emsworth & err Ringwood ( same Tarquin lot)


As for Dealers..... that'd be Trader Wales alone unless someone knows of any others abroad??????
 
No, the Trader brand is owned and Managed by Tarquin. They are the same company. The yard in Taiwan build loads of stuff, they just build Traders under the direction of Tarquin.

Same way Plymouth Marine Projects used to build Moody sailing boats and Princess Mobos among others.
 
I, for one would be very interested to see a response from TC, everyone has a right of reply, however, this has been going on so long with no response, the only reasonable conclusion is that the facts as stated, are in all respects accurate.

This is a pity that Trader as a brand is now seriously tarnished, particularly as we are aware from friends that there is at least one honourable Trader Dealer in the UK, the effect on their business must be difficult at least.

It would be honourable for Trader to simply admit, that on this craft things went wrong, badly wrong - they were now fixing it- by refunding, and to state the steps they were taking to ensure that would not happen again- if their delays in sorting things out were due to problems with Head Office and getting the appropriate credits/refunds - then say so!

All of us have made mistakes- the difference between children and adults is the ability to admit it! and fix it!
In this case - silence is damming!

This Saga must now be having an effect on the secondhand Trader market as well- i would not be happy to have a trader for sale.
 
Personally I would not by a New Trader but might possibly buy a used one but If there was an alternative similar vessel I would sway towards that

There was a comment from a forumite based in Taiwan who would never buy a trader as he knew how the workforce there cut corners and gave generally shoddy workmanship
 
Lifted from their website:

United States :

Private Sales:
Trader Yachts USA
toll free: 866-660-4057
tel: 207-774-8548
Charter Ownership Sales:
TMM Bareboat Vacations
toll free: 866-660-4057
email: yachtsales@sailtmm.com
web: www.traderyachts.com

Benelux & Germany

Trader Yachts
Hoekstra Yachting BV
Flevo Marina TC, IJsselmeerdijk 2, 8221 RC Lelystad
tel: 0031 (0)36 53 84033
fax: 0031 (0)36 53 84087
mob: 0031 (0)6 22 492280
email: inf@traderyachts.nl
web: www.traderyachts.nl

Might be worthwhile sending an email just directing them to Pauls Website perhaps, just in case they're not aware. In fact I'll do it now. P
 
Must say I look forward on a daily basis catching up on the Ocean Deep saga…

All very interesting, would make great TV!!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
I hope it makes some kind of difference, I'm all for the inbox pillaging /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Only problem with that is the select all and delete function, all too easy to get rid of... snail mail would be a lot more annoying /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I hear they start filming next week /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif but even though I don't expect TC to reply I do think it's best if everyone remembers that as this is a public forum we need to be careful what is said , and any e mails to companies that may have an interest should also note that , wouldn't want to make life difficult for anyone , would we /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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I think you may have answered your own email here. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

If TC thought a forum contribution was going to help, I think he would have done so. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

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I think you may be correct because so far we have no response ffrom TC at all , maybe he thinks people are just going to let it drop /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif yeh right /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Just so everyone knows , Paul has advised me that he doesn't object in the slightest and the e mail will not harm his position at all
 
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