The dark side - The pull is strong

[colvic987]

but the wind might not be 'right' to help them get out of an awkward situation.

But only no wind at all, phil. we do have an anchor to chuck out, and also the tender and outboard strapped to the side of the boat for propulsion to a mooring or dock.

We have to be very resourceful at times.

A nice fisher 34 would be ideal choice for you. a motorsailer which primarily has a big enough engine and it also sails as well.

I'm sure major and kwaka will forgive you in time. ???????????

But you might have a problem getting to the little ship bar once over on the darker side. (Could this be a stumbling block for you,excuse the pun).

 

[Searush]

The wind may not blow where you want it to, but it will still allow you to go in at least 75% of the possible directions & safety may well lie along that path somewhere. Don't forget that your anchor is also a key item of safety kit and staying where you are is only one use for anchors. The strong tides around Anglesey make drudging a practical way of controlling your speed & direction.

Drudging; the art of using your fouled & deliberately dragging anchor to control speed & direction in tidal waters or rivers. Slowing the boat by dragging a tied up anchor across the sea bed allows you to use the rudder to control (to some extent) the direction & speed of drift with the tide/ current.

A very important technique for square riggers in our tidal rivers before the days of steam tugs.

 

[Kawasaki]

Drudging;

A very important technique for square riggers in our tidal rivers before the days of steam tugs.

Just how old are you Sir?
I reckon you've been telling pork pies

 

[Searush]

Just how old are you Sir?
I reckon you've been telling pork pies

I don't recall claiming to be a teenager . . . and I read a lot. You never know when such techniques might save your boat. Just tuck it away under you hat for now - but don't forget it.

Why not try it - assuming you can rig up some sort of rudder on your rubber duck (do you carry a paddle for close quarters manouvering?) Now a demo of that would be a treat for your newbies.

 

[Kawasaki]

I don't recall claiming to be a teenager


Thank gawd for that
. . . and I read a lot.

Hmm, could be dangerous that !

Why not try it - assuming you can rig up some sort of rudder on your rubber duck (do you carry a paddle for close quarters manouvering?) Now a demo of that would be a treat for your newbies.

Aha, rubber duck training
When Instructing the Advanced rubber duck course
'Alternative means of propulsion', I spring it on em at an inappropiate moment, tee hee
But don't tell anybody

I learn't to scull when me scull was more receptive at an early age
Many Moons have passed since then Me Awld Mate.
Sure to be sure with have both played with rollocks in our formative years

 

[Philiz]

The wind may not blow where you want it to, but it will still allow you to go in at least 75% of the possible directions & safety may well lie along that path somewhere. Don't forget that your anchor is also a key item of safety kit and staying where you are is only one use for anchors. The strong tides around Anglesey make drudging a practical way of controlling your speed & direction.

Drudging; the art of using your fouled & deliberately dragging anchor to control speed & direction in tidal waters or rivers. Slowing the boat by dragging a tied up anchor across the sea bed allows you to use the rudder to control (to some extent) the direction & speed of drift with the tide/ current.

A very important technique for square riggers in our tidal rivers before the days of steam tugs.

But most of these techniques are also available to single engined mobos aren't they? Apart from using the sail obviously.

 

[Kawasaki]

But most of these techniques are also available to single engined mobos aren't they? Apart from using the sail obviously.

Aha!
You need to do your Advanced course
We could do it on me mates McGregor .Kill, dunno how many birds with one stone (anchor or drudger)!

 

[Major Catastrophe]

I'm sure major and kwaka will forgive you in time. ???????????

Yes I would, I have always been a Fisher fan and was very interested in the forumite who reported that a new Fisher 46 had been born.

 

[Major Catastrophe]

Another thought has just sprung to mind. From time to time there are views expressed along the lines that single engined mobos are a no no and twins are the only way to go. The usual reason given is that if a single engined mobo suffers an engine failure it's at the mercy of the elements.

Whilst there may argueably be some merit in this arguement, why is it thought that single engined raggies are perfectly okay? I'm asuming it's because the sails are thought to be their alternative form of propulsion, but the wind might not be 'right' to help them get out of an awkward situation.

Ah, we have reached the self justification stage.

 

[AndieMac]

why is it thought that single engined raggies are perfectly okay? I'm asuming it's because the sails are thought to be their alternative form of propulsion, but the wind might not be 'right' to help them get out of an awkward situation.

A couple of years ago Phil, two experienced yacht delivery skippers were bringing a 35' motor-sailer from Victoria across Bass Strait (190 miles) in absolutely flat calm conditions.
The hydraulic gearbox developed a significant oil leak, dumping the contents into the bilge, so the vessel sat dead in the water, 40 miles from shore.
The benign conditions remained with them for another 48 hours, not a breath of wind, the yacht rolled away on the oily swell drifting in the tide further away from the intended destination.
The volunteer Coast Guard finally got out to them, after some mechanical issues themselves (we don't have a flash organisation like the RNLI to come and get us), and towed them home.

 

[Philiz]

A couple of years ago Phil, two experienced yacht delivery skippers were bringing a 35' motor-sailer from Victoria across Bass Strait (190 miles) in absolutely flat calm conditions.
The hydraulic gearbox developed a significant oil leak, dumping the contents into the bilge, so the vessel sat dead in the water, 40 miles from shore.
The benign conditions remained with them for another 48 hours, not a breath of wind, the yacht rolled away on the oily swell drifting in the tide further away from the intended destination.
The volunteer Coast Guard finally got out to them, after some mechanical issues themselves (we don't have a flash organisation like the RNLI to come and get us), and towed them home.

But that's my point really, if they'd been in a single engined mobo folk would be saying 'shouldn't be out in a single engined boat, need twins'. But a raggie doesn't attract such comments even though, given the conditions, it was little more than a single engined mobo!

 

[LittleShip]

But you might have a problem getting to the little ship bar once over on the darker side. (Could this be a stumbling block for you,excuse the pun).

Not at all, many already know that Little Ships present career is an ex Raggie (and Raggie fan) of some 30 years experience and without a back injury would have another sail boat in a flash....... with of course a large fun box for visitors.

Personally after owning a displacement craft for some years I feel it is as relaxing as any Yacht that I have sailed, albeit a little noisier due to the large lump under the floor. On the fly bridge its almost like cruising on a sailboat without the effort and of course,.... a little faster.(Oh yes it is )

Tom

 

[Philiz]

Not at all, many already know that Little Ships present career is an ex Raggie (and Raggie fan) of some 30 years experience and without a back injury would have another sail boat in a flash....... with of course a large fun box for visitors.

Personally after owning a displacement craft for some years I feel it is as relaxing as any Yacht that I have sailed, albeit a little noisier due to the large lump under the floor. On the fly bridge its almost like cruising on a sailboat without the effort and of course,.... a little faster.(Oh yes it is )

Tom

Well it wouldn't be the first time I've stumbled on Littleship!

Mmm, not had a go on the flybridge yet, must work on that As said previously, a trawler is not out of the question by any means.

And yes it is faster Tom, but only just

 

[colvic987]

Not at all, many already know that Little Ships present career is an ex Raggie (and Raggie fan) of some 30 years experience and without a back injury would have another sail boat in a flash....... with of course a large fun box for visitors.

Personally after owning a displacement craft for some years I feel it is as relaxing as any Yacht that I have sailed, albeit a little noisier due to the large lump under the floor. On the fly bridge its almost like cruising on a sailboat without the effort and of course,.... a little faster.(Oh yes it is )

Tom

Ex raggie, that i didn't know, so thanks for putting me right, whilst here, i must commend you on your moorings skills, on getting the boat along side the pontoon of vic dock during the weekend. very impressed, especially with all the rafted up boats fore and aft of the pontoon giving you little enough space for error. well done.

 

[LittleShip]

Ex raggie, that i didn't know, so thanks for putting me right, whilst here, i must commend you on your moorings skills, on getting the boat along side the pontoon of vic dock during the weekend. very impressed, especially with all the rafted up boats fore and aft of the pontoon giving you little enough space for error. well done.

Thanks for the compliment....... Mark will always find me an easy spot to put LS, I think it's classed as sport for him

You should have come over and said hello, but dont forget first visit needs a bottle (preferably red)

All the best

Tom

 

[Philiz]

You should have come over and said hello, but dont forget first visit needs a bottle (preferably red)
Tom

Yes, Tom's particularly partial to Sanatogen

 

[photodog]

Life is a Journey.

And there are two types of people on it... the Mobo'er and the Sailor....

As the Mobo'er gets to the end and encounters the ultimate in dissapointment and is welcomed into Hell, his last thought on his journey will be well that was a bit boring...

As the Sailor gets to the end and encounters the ulitmate in dissapontment and is welcomed into Hell, his last thought on his journey will be I had a hell of a time getting here!!!


Choose Wisely.

 

[Searush]

But that's my point really, if they'd been in a single engined mobo folk would be saying 'shouldn't be out in a single engined boat, need twins'. But a raggie doesn't attract such comments even though, given the conditions, it was little more than a single engined mobo!

You've forgotten what Kwaka said. I have a rubber duck & 2hp o/b which I have used a few times, lashed alongside, to move Sea Rush around when her main engine is OOO & the wind isn't available. Oars & Yuloh can also be used to move her if necessary, altho I don't carry them aboard as a matter of course, they could be improvised if needed.

So, that's sails, Engine, Dink & O/b, tidal drudging, oars, yuloh, oh and warping = 7 techniques available for moving around depending on location & conditions.

A single engine MoBo would probably be a smallish one & might not have a dinghy & o/b or even any oars available. That leaves just engine, drudging or warping.

 

[AndieMac]

Choose Wisely.

Is this the bit where the Bavaria comes in to it?

Go on, you know you want to say it

 

[Philiz]

So, that's sails, Engine, Dink & O/b, tidal drudging, oars, yuloh, oh and warping = 7 techniques available for moving around depending on location & conditions.
A single engine MoBo would probably be a smallish one & might not have a dinghy & o/b or even any oars available. That leaves just engine, drudging or warping.

Erm, mine's single engined, so is Littleship.