BrendanS
Well-known member
Good article here on Origin, the potential UK team
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/sailing/article2010155.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/sailing/article2010155.ece
The Alinghi factor
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HoratioHB
New member
Just like to point out to you all, especially the Hobbit (yes I've seen the film and know where they come from), that the Americas cup was never really lost by England. The first race was around the Isle of Wight in the late 1900s and the American boat went inside Bembridge ledge when it should have gone outside but us gallant Brits let them have it anyway and they cheated and colluded ever after to keep it. Hence the expression that Britannia rules the waves but America waves the rules. Which came about when the US boat on port tack put Tommy Sopwiths boat about and then the protest was declined.
It seems that that the rabid desire for the damn thing remains unabated.
Howabout we ask nicely to have it back and then start all over again??
It seems that that the rabid desire for the damn thing remains unabated.
Howabout we ask nicely to have it back and then start all over again??
duncan
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The first race was around the Isle of Wight in the late 1900s
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The first race was around the Isle of Wight in the late 1900s
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jhr
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They built a replica of the America in the 1960's to celebrate the centenary of the famous race. I remember being told, by someone who worked for Southern Television, that they had some footage of her sailing off the IOW when she came to the UK for a commemorative trip. I wonder if it's still around. Apparently it was shot in colour (expensive in those days) so they must have intended to keep it for posterity.
Here she is:
Here she is:
duncan
Active member
don't know about the footage but I was aboard the boat a few years ago in Key West - very nice indeed.
Woodlouse
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but it still takes 2-3 campaigns to build up a serious challenge
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Oooohh ooohh! Just like Alinghi did! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
but it still takes 2-3 campaigns to build up a serious challenge
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Oooohh ooohh! Just like Alinghi did! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
uforea
New member
Whatever you say about behind the scenes manouvering the fact remains that TNZ were beaten on the water through their own inept tactical errors in spite of having a faster boat and I do wonder if your attempting to distract people from the real reasons TNZ failed.
Ted.
Ted.
Rob_Webb
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That's right Duncan my original posting was from the NZ media.
Rob_Webb
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And so we see ladies and gentlemen, the deep seated, if not unlovable, personality flaws that turn the All Black's into losers when it matters.
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Judders - I'll now take all the wind out of your sails by pointing out that I am in fact British, born and bred and sailed in the UK for the first 35 yrs of my life and only moved out to NZ 3 yrs ago. Passionate about my sailing and adopted ETNZ as my team of choice for obvious reasons.
If you are going to make remarks about the personality of forum posters then I suggest you check your facts so that you write in an informed way. Your lack of knowledge of the true situation renders your comments and opinions invalid and not worth the screen they are written on.
Sorry, scratch that. They were rubbish anyway.
And so we see ladies and gentlemen, the deep seated, if not unlovable, personality flaws that turn the All Black's into losers when it matters.
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Judders - I'll now take all the wind out of your sails by pointing out that I am in fact British, born and bred and sailed in the UK for the first 35 yrs of my life and only moved out to NZ 3 yrs ago. Passionate about my sailing and adopted ETNZ as my team of choice for obvious reasons.
If you are going to make remarks about the personality of forum posters then I suggest you check your facts so that you write in an informed way. Your lack of knowledge of the true situation renders your comments and opinions invalid and not worth the screen they are written on.
Sorry, scratch that. They were rubbish anyway.
BrendanS
Well-known member
I was tempted to point that out, but in fairness, newbie posters won't know those details, and even many forumites with years under their belt might not know that either. There is no easy way to check your nationality or history of posting, unless they've been following it for years.
Rob_Webb
Active member
True. But it goes to show that for an argument to hold water it needs to be fundamentally sound and not based on nationalisitic prejudices like Judders. Otherwise it all unravels in the space of a few new facts which should not otherwise affect things.
BrendanS
Well-known member
Nationalistic facts are largely irrelevant if you read the postings here carefully. Not sure I like the tone of your new thread about knife though
I like the rugby attitude better. We woz robbed, then get onto celebrate the win of which ever team won.
I like the rugby attitude better. We woz robbed, then get onto celebrate the win of which ever team won.
Judders
Active member
Oh lighten up. I remember your Nationality from a thread about your avatar some weeks ago, but that needn't get in the way of a wee bit of light hearted Kiwibashing need it?
Grow up.
Grow up.
falcon5
New member
Its a shame that this post has developed so much emotion, particulary from people who don't understand or care about the Auld Mug, unfortunatly Rob, there are always people on the forum whose sole aim in life appears to be to have a go through meduims such as this forum.
there is no doubt about it that the America's Cup is becoming the Alinghi Cup, and Alinghi's main goal appears to be how much money and prestige they can get for Bertarelli and his team. Its possible that the man himself does not know all thats going on.
As a Brit i am proud to be so, while disapointed that we were not there this time, I supported the last GBR challenge by supplying all of their CAD drafting software for free, and we knew they could never win, but atleast we were there, given the chance I will do so again for the new challenge, but I am realistic in what they are likely to achive, mid placed in the LV (assuming LV are still there).
i think your main point was as accurate as any regarding what appears to be the new world order in Yachtings ultimate development arena the "Alinghi Cup" (ex America's Cup).
there is no doubt about it that the America's Cup is becoming the Alinghi Cup, and Alinghi's main goal appears to be how much money and prestige they can get for Bertarelli and his team. Its possible that the man himself does not know all thats going on.
As a Brit i am proud to be so, while disapointed that we were not there this time, I supported the last GBR challenge by supplying all of their CAD drafting software for free, and we knew they could never win, but atleast we were there, given the chance I will do so again for the new challenge, but I am realistic in what they are likely to achive, mid placed in the LV (assuming LV are still there).
i think your main point was as accurate as any regarding what appears to be the new world order in Yachtings ultimate development arena the "Alinghi Cup" (ex America's Cup).
Phoenix of Hamble
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Well honestly, do you really expect GB to put together a credible challenge???!!!
Maybe dust down Peter de Savary and have another go!
[/ QUOTE ]Why would we want to get all hot under the collar about something that rewards the big cheque books rather than concentrate on the events where pure sailing skill counts most.... like the Olympics..... lets face it... the only other bloke at the Olympics who could even get close to winnning medals besides the Brits is called shite.......(or something like that) /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Well honestly, do you really expect GB to put together a credible challenge???!!!
Maybe dust down Peter de Savary and have another go!
[/ QUOTE ]Why would we want to get all hot under the collar about something that rewards the big cheque books rather than concentrate on the events where pure sailing skill counts most.... like the Olympics..... lets face it... the only other bloke at the Olympics who could even get close to winnning medals besides the Brits is called shite.......(or something like that) /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Rob_Webb
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Well it's just that if you're gonna spout [--word removed--] expect to be rumbled.