That we have gotten away with it for so long...

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.. is the biggest surprise to me.

Pumping raw sewage out into harbours, bays & river estuaries that is.

There isn't a facility to post pictures on these YBW sites but just picture a scene of an idyllic anchorage like Studland Bay or Newtown River on a warm Saturday evening. Lots of boats, full of families or other groups enjoying the sun and general bonhomie of life afloat - you just can't beat it!

Now, digital air-brush in hand remove all those floating pride and joys and substitute a cut and pasted khazi like the one Albert got locked into in Steptoe's Scrapyard for each removed yacht ( two for some of the big ones) Then show the "improved" or to be more accurate "REALISTIC" scene to your friends. Yes it will be greeted by gasps of horror

For that's what each of these places AND Yarmouth Harbour will become during the dark hours and the following early morning. (In Yarmouth the " reprocessed" output of the Kings Head, the George, The Bugle AND Salties will be discreetly deposited into the harbour before 10am.) We all know that it goes on and that the number of boats with holding tanks is a very small proportion of the total.

It is easy to fit one of those surround tanks made for ITT's RM 69's etc. They won't last a long stay but will cope with a family's output for a weekend which must be the main source of pollution.

And it isn't just the UK. In Greece now very few new charter boats are getting fitted with holding tanks because the long runs of piping needed in modern flat bottomed hulls to a suitable tank location causes blockages. It's the paper but these blockages can be minimised if you only supply "Porta Potti" paper because it is made so as to dissolve quickly.

Is this another case of the "Problem who's name shall never be spake?"

Lets get with it before not only do we get branded as the lushes relying on a legacy funded "RAC" get-you-home service in the guise of the RNLI but also get hit with the label of "the polluters of the British coastal heritage" from our "privileged" & "posh" position as boat owners.
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Agree with the post Steve. When I speced my boat about three years ago I asked for a holding tank to be fitted and got incredulous looks from the agent and comments such as "you don't want to be doing that.... absolutely no need.... just adding unnecessary weight". Stood my ground and had one fitted anyway.

Of course with the absence of pump out facilities, all I'm really doing is delaying the eventual discharge, but at least I can dump it in an area of my choosing rather than a sheltered harbour.

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Steve - you're right - People "dump" wherever they are moored - never swim with your mouth open!

I must confess to opening the valves of the holding tanks at sea - no option 'cause there are no pump outs near.

We've all seen the floater evidence in the marinas/harbours, it has to stop. I set a thread on holding tanks and got a few (many) replies some time ago, it should be interesting to see any new ones -

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Quite right: If you bulit a house/sited a caravan near Chichester Harbour (even assuming you could get planning permission past the conservancy ...): they'd have a fit if you suggested pumping your drains directly into the harbour, but live on a boat- you can do what you like. (and yes, I know Soujthern water do exactly that when their sewage treatment plants can't cope).

Likewise: our new (s/h) boat will have a holding tank fitted before we take delivery.

I read recently that Chichester Marina offer a free pump-out service now (don't know if that's just for berth holders)
 

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Here in Switzerland we have, unlike you UK sailors, the equivalent of the MOT for our boats. For the last few years now it is no longer valid to have a pump out toilet/sink and it is obligatory to have either a porta potti fitted or a holding tank. There are very few pump out facilites on our lakes and when there is one, usually, they do not work! Here in Geneva, the law is going to be implied as of Ist Janaury 2003 and there is a general rush to have the boat MOTed before that date that will allow another three years(MOT is every three years) of being able to use ones toilet/sinks etc. All boats will have to have their outlets sealed off (properly glassed in if fibreglass/steel sealed if steel etc)as off 31.12.2002 or else they will not get a MOT and will be unable to use their boats, and the boats will be removed from the water at their owners expenses (anything up to £500 to chop up and dispose of the hull). So boys enjoy your freedom over there thank your lucky stars you don't boat here on lake Geneva!

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Cor, Steve, you\'ve been sorely missed

We've now got Steve101 who pretends ignorance and his latest post is semi-demified daisy chains. :( :( :(
 

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Oh how I agree. I have gone the one step further and replaced the head witha porta potti. It has some advantages like no pipe runs, no blockages, detachable holding tank for enviro friendly disposal and best of all was very cheap due to caravan influence. My engine runs on unleaded - a shame about the 2 stroke oil!

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This summer we anchored up in well known East Coast anchorage. Lovely day for a swim. Unthinking new sailor uses toilet. Damn! Never mind , a quick tidal set calculation and Ive got those little sausages in sight. Ten minutes later all clear and we all jump in and swim ! No ill effects so far! Another thought, most marinas have resident fish populations, grey mullet I believe, it does not do them any harm.
Seriously I think you are right and its one up to environmentally cleaner dinghies and dayboats
 

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problem with pump out

Sout West Water have a problem with pumpouts in small towns. Sewage and sea water rapidly make hydrogen sulphide (bad eggs!!) so you get a nasty smell say in Dartmouth blamed on Sout West Water. Its OK in somewhere large like Brighton. I dont know what the sewage people are going to do about this - its a nasty problem.
PS In Scandinavai folk expect to be able to swim round the boat in harbour. You'll be verry unpopular if you foul the swimming area.
 

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agreed, and i have a holding tank.

Not sure if press are too bothered about holding tanks just yet, although they should be. Much more worried bout furry foxes, bombing/not bombing Iraq and...
ooh hell - has Edwina Currie got a boat?
 

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DAILY NEWS

SHOCK HORROW
NEW LOO LAWS
ARE STARVING FISH
SAYS PROF

Professor Sue Mee (39) of the
University of West Ealing claimed
today that new laws on boat loos
brought in by Two Jags Prescott
were behind the reduction in catches
by the UK fishing fleet.

The bubbly blonde Prof, divorced,
says that yachtsmen's waste -
known as hobby jobbies in the
University's marine biology
department - form a vital part
of the food chain for some of
Britain's best loved fish.

The ban on sailor's poo is
expected to increase the price
of fish and chips across the land.
"I don't see why the Government
had to introduce a law like this"
said Phil Mesails of the Royal
Yachting Association. "I thought
Mr Blair was in favour of
recycling"

The RYA is 94 1/2 years old.
 
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Gotten!!! Gotten!!!

Is that a word true Englishmen recognise? I think not!

What ever next?

Geoff W
 

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Went to a French boat show this year - all the new boats we looked at had holding tanks fitted as standard, 'ready for the new EEC regs which come into practice soon'. Anyone know what they are and when and where they will be applied?

For the record, we had a holding tank fitted anyway, but have yet to find a marina with deck pump out facilities, so have to wait to empty the tank until we're a few miles off shore.

Grey mullet? Ever noticed how big they are in a marina? Wonder why!
 

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I think regulations are coming, and no bad thing, considering. Hopefully the restrictions will be within harbours, and we can pump out at sea. I must confess, though, that Dawn Chorus has a holding tank, but its never been used.

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Just when you thought...

...that any post from someone called Steve would be cr*p...lo and behold Mr C comes up with a post all about cr*p /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Good to see you posting again Steve!!! /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif
 

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Always amuses me the small the diameter of the outlet pipe is......probably same though as point of exit from human.
 
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