Tender manners

Maybe that explains it - always classed Avon and Zodiac in a similiar class - built like brick $h1t houses and here for life.
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See my post above.

I still cannot see how an outboard prop could chaff a hole in a Zodiac in a few hours (unless it was running at the time!)


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It wasn't a chafe - it was a slit about an inch long. The prop blades had been grounded in sand or rock and were sharp
 
Have a care, kind sir. For all that you know the boat with the outboard arrived after the person who you are calling an idiot left his Zodiac.

If you want to be rude to people then stick to lawyers or politicians, they are used to it, but please let us keep some decorum in our postings
 
AFAIK the leisure zodiacs have always been PVC. My last one expired last year after 20 years service. My new one still looks in pristine condition after a year on my davits.
 
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Have a care, kind sir. For all that you know the boat with the outboard arrived after the person who you are calling an idiot left his Zodiac.

If you want to be rude to people then stick to lawyers or politicians, they are used to it, but please let us keep some decorum in our postings

[/ QUOTE ]Who's being rude. The term "idiot" was used by others first so why pick on me!
I am simply pointing out the "blame someone else" society we now live in today. Like the cretin that "T-boned" their nice new pastic boat on the end of a finger then blamed the marina for not puting fenders on the ends of the fingers - Duh - yep marina operators fault that the pillock couldn't handle his own boat.

I run up against this sort of thing almost on a daily basis - it is never the "injured" parties fault - always someone else is to blame, hence my immediate thoughts on such matters.
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um, see your point but...

there seem to be lots of dinhies being stolen tho? Tho of course it is v reasonable to feel anooyed. The thread seems to have gone into overdrive, tho...

I wonder how many padlocks one wd use if our previous dinghy had been nicked from that very spot? Or perhaps the kids took the dinghy out and overdid the security on the pontoon?

Perhaps it's really REALY vital that the dinghy isn't stolen - there's wife and kids on the boat or mooring buoy.

Or perhaps the guy with pregnant wife on board had to come ashore to help look for the other child in a borrowed dinghy which was stolen and he called on vhf/or on mobile in tears and then he gets THAT call from wifey so he has to rush back to bring her off the boat but ARG - some self-righteous type has padlocked the thing, fortunately leaving a "please get lock in the bar" note - so along comes the guy and explains it all to you.... Hm?

Yeah- those with ideas of extra padlocks, and of sinking the dinghy - shame on you! Perhaps they are verbalizing their more wicked thorts and letting off steam at the desk whereas in reality you are as bit more considerate and don't do unto others what they wdn't wish on themselves.
 
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Personally however I believe in the simple explanation. The guy was an ignorant, inconsiderate prat who apparently believes he and only he (or she or it) has any business wanting to use the public dinghy pontoon, therefore it is OK to moor in such a way that everyone else (there first too) cannot have access to the pontoon or their dinghies without great difficulty. The same kind of prat that will park blocking your driveway rather than use a car park 50yds away, comes under the collective heading in my book as a SCA, or Special Case A$$$h$$e.

I have my big old padlock all ready to take next time...

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If someone returns to their dinghy and discovers a hole, is it not reasonable to blame a newly arrived adjacent dinghy with a rock sharpened serrated prop waving around just above the water.

I think some people routinely lift their outboards because that is what they see in dinghy brochures where a bikini clad babe has just beached her Zodiac on a Caribbean beach. A crowded South Coast town jetty requires a different policy.
 
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they see in dinghy brochures where a bikini clad babe has just beached her Zodiac on a Caribbean beach.

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ignorant, inconsiderate prat who apparently believes he and only he (or she or it) has any business wanting to ....


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I'm afraid I agree with you - there seems to be a whole class of untermensch who don't care about anyone else. It's not just the appalling way in which some people moor their tenders - some of them assume they can do as they like and to h*ll with the rest of us. The boat next to us removed its mainsail last autumn and left its in-mast furling to clang like a bell all winter to the extreme distress of everyone else in the vicinity. When asked by several people if they'd quieten it they refused point blank. They also consistently tie their boat up bow in, fat stern out with RIB making it wider still and so very awkward for others to get past. Then there were the people who came in at 2 am last weekend, spent half an hour shouting to each other over the noise of their engine while they tied up.

But to avoid sounding totally sour - how charming others can be. I met an elderly gent returning to his rubber duck (tied on a nice long line) with his shopping. We had one of those "after you" conversations where he offered to cast me off (I was tying up!) and we had a long chat and then I cast him off to continue his single-handed cruise. So there's hope yet !

P.S. In the absence of spare padlocks (love the idea LakeSailor !) we are thinking about printing little notices and laminating them to pop in offending dinghies giving them some well-earned advice about how to tie up and how not to /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Re: um, see your point but...

Pardon??? Even if his wife/kids/mistress/dog is in tears is this a reason to block access to other people? You can padlock your dinghy and outboard to the boat and pontoon, as I frequently do, without hindering other peeps, just takes a bit of thought and a longer securing chain/strop. I see it all the time. I have a long plastic covered wire strop. But one more thing, if you think a wire strop or chain is going to stop a determined thief, then think again.
 
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P.S. In the absence of spare padlocks (love the idea LakeSailor !) we are thinking about printing little notices and laminating them to pop in offending dinghies giving them some well-earned advice about how to tie up and how not to

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I like that idea too! Bit like the 'Polite' Notice I stuck on the windscreen of the car which was left actually IN my driveway, totally off the road. It took them a while to get the glue off the screen I bet even though it was only from a Pritt Stik. Perhaps we could stick them on the rogue dinghies with a solvent glue that attacks PVC/Hypalon.

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Re: um, see your point but...

Wanting security has nothing to do with locking your dinghy alongside the pontoon. In the Caribbean everyone padlocks their dinghies and outboards. The technique is simple - get a length of wire the length of the dinghy plus 10ft with a talurit eye in each end, padlock one end to the outboard, pass it through a hole or eyebolt in the transom and out over the bows where you padlock the other end to the dock. the dinghy can't easily be nicked and there is 10 ft of play to let others get ashore.
 
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"But one more thing, if you think a wire strop or chain is going to stop a determined thief, then think again."

Just bought my 'new-old' tender off eBay. The new-new oars, rowlocks and fender strip have cost about three times as much as the tender. So if you nick the tender, please leave the new bits behind.
 
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there seems to be a whole class of untermensch who don't care about anyone else. It's not just the appalling way in which some people moor their tenders

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So very true; from the skipper who tells you he's leaving "very early in the morning, so you are best not to moor alongside", only to be seen still tied up at 09.30, to the chap who ties his tender alongside in a selfish act, to the loud and noisy crew breaking the early hours peace, not to mention the mobo owner running his engine with stinking fumes in a crowded summer berth etc etc.

It takes very little effort to show a bit of consideration. On the point of tenders, if a tender is likely to dry out anyone would expect to see the outboard raised, totaly unreasonable thing to do though on a wet landing. Just a bit of thought is needed.

The I, Me, My, Mine and all self importance is becoming all to often the norm.

God, I thought we sail to get away from that culture!
 
Then what?

Escalation as described is an option but a pair of boltcrops makes short work of a padlock, and we've already established that the offender doesn't have the same values as yourself in terms of what constitutes considerate behaviour.

Much better to explain the issue to them. Then it's less likely to happen again. Cheaper on padlocks as well.

This is possibly less satisfying, but ......somehow i rather think the locking of a dinghy is such a jape that it will soon be established that it was you! I wonder what would happen then? Perhaps then they'll be really REALLY inconsiderate, and this time - on purpose!
 
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