Tall ship Astrid lost in Oysterhaven Cork today

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Googledegook translation:

SAILING SHIP ASTRID IS DEMOLISHED

The sailing Astrid, which sank off the coast of Ireland, in late July can not be saved. The ship must be scrapped.

Tuesday was the 95 year old ship salvaged. It is now in Kinsale in Ireland. After an inspection, the owners conclude that the ship is so badly damaged that it is not worthwhile to fix it.

Three quarters of the Astrid is broken, says owner Ineke de Kam. The hull can still be restored, but that is very expensive. "Besides, you have in effect creating a whole new ship. Astrid It is no longer."
demolish

Initially, the owners wanted to bring the ship to Flushing to scrap it there, but that's going to be costly. That is why it is in Ireland to the demolition. Probably done that already next week.

The Astrid went to Cork on the rocks when it was on its way to the port. The ship sailed on the engine, but fell out so the crew lost control. The thirty crew members were rescued by another sailing ship that was nearby.
 
onesea said:
http://nos.nl/artikel/550752-zeilschip-astrid-wordt-gesloopt.html

Googledegook translation:

SAILING SHIP ASTRID IS DEMOLISHED

The sailing Astrid, which sank off the coast of Ireland, in late July can not be saved. The ship must be scrapped.

Tuesday was the 95 year old ship salvaged. It is now in Kinsale in Ireland. After an inspection, the owners conclude that the ship is so badly damaged that it is not worthwhile to fix it.

Three quarters of the Astrid is broken, says owner Ineke de Kam. The hull can still be restored, but that is very expensive. "Besides, you have in effect creating a whole new ship. Astrid It is no longer."
demolish

Initially, the owners wanted to bring the ship to Flushing to scrap it there, but that's going to be costly. That is why it is in Ireland to the demolition. Probably done that already next week.

The Astrid went to Cork on the rocks when it was on its way to the port. The ship sailed on the engine, but fell out so the crew lost control. The thirty crew members were rescued by another sailing ship that was nearby.
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Rum_Pirate said:
What I have never understood is why didn't they drop the anchors before they went aground?
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Astrid was apparently very close to the lee shore when she lost engine power so perhaps they didn't have time.

It was a serious misjudgement to rely exclusively on the engine when so close to shore.

I haven't seen any suggestion as to the reason for loss of power - presumably a ship that size would be unlikely to have prob fouled by seaweed or floating lines or nets?

If not a fouled prop, you'd expect a big diesel engine like Astrid's to be unlikely to fail for the usual reasons that small yacht auxiliaries do (blocked filters, airlocks...)??

The MCIB (Marine Casualty Investigation Board http://www.mcib.ie/ ) report will be interesting when it eventually appears (about 12 months I think)..
 
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Seem to remember seeing somewhere,maybe on this tread,that water had mistakenly been put in the fuel tanks and they had done the job themselves of cleaning them out.She had the sea on the beam so would have been rolling a fair bit so maybe engine failure was down to water in the diesel?
 
Vega1447 said:
I haven't seen any suggestion as to the reason for loss of power - presumably a ship that size would be unlikely to have prob fouled by seaweed or floating lines or nets?
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A few more clickable pics - the prop does seem to have sustained substantial damage at some stage (I'm afraid clarity has suffered somewhat in the size reduction - I'm a novice at attaching images)


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As a footnote - in the bow pic can just be seen in the distance another sight which is rather sad - the Dunkirk little ship 'Llanthony' has been gently deteriorating on a marina pontoon here for a couple of years now - she arrived due (apparently) to a mechanical problem when en-route to the Azores, and has never left.
 
Scillyboy,my penultimate post may have been incorrect......I assumed she had been dumped on Lobster Quay,but it looks like she is on a barge?Assume you live in Scilly.....then we must have a few friends in common.As a matter of interest what is Llahthony,and is she the 60' 1950's motorboat in Castle Park?Azores.....no way!!
 
Mad Pad said:
Scillyboy,my penultimate post may have been incorrect......I assumed she had been dumped on Lobster Quay,but it looks like she is on a barge?Assume you live in Scilly.....then we must have a few friends in common.As a matter of interest what is Llahthony,and is she the 60' 1950's motorboat in Castle Park?Azores.....no way!!
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This one?

Little Ship MY LLANTHONY
Built by Camper Nicholson in 1934.
Purchased by present owner in 1995, whilst lying in Rhodes, Greece in a very dilapidated state.
Has undergone extensive restorations, most recently, re-plated all round in 2004 and twin Caterpillar 350 engines installed at same time.
Maintains her original fittings in cabins and salon. Internal refit done in Malta in 2005 restoring her original 4 guest cabins. Sleeps seven guests, bathroom and new crew-quarters to sleep up to five.
Has made two return trips to the UK from Marmaris in Turkey in the last nine years
Currently lying in Portavadie Marina on the West Coast of Scotland.
Last survey February 2009 conducted by K.M Walsh, County Down
A beautiful, well maintained Little Ship, with a wealth of history quite apart from her glorious role at Dunkirk.
Ideal small cruising vessel. Full inventory available.
Price. £275,000
Contact: www.classicyachtbrokerage.co.uk Tel +44 (0) 1905 356482
Mar 11
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Astrid is indeed on a barge, moored by Lobster Quay, looking very sad. If an earlier post is correct, things don't too look good for her.
It's purely hearsay, but Llanthony was apparently making her way south - had steering failure or some such, and ended up in Castlepark, originally to sit out the winter, but has been there ever since - also beginning to look very sad.

(My moniker actually refers to my birthplace on the Isles - it's an interesting coincidence that there's a Scilly locally also. I gather that there may be a historical connection, but I'm not sure what....)
 
LittleSister said:
Oh, dear. They didn't get much right, did they?
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I can't help feeling that they have spent pages and pages going on about various international certifications when the real issue was that the Skipper knew that 1000 L of fresh water had been pumped into one of the fuel tanks but he seems to have made only a cursory investigation about what had happened and what the possible consequences of such a huge volume of water in the fuel tanks might be. I think he should have been taken heavily to task over this incompetence but it barely rates a mention compared to all the "health and safety" procedural stuff.

Richard
 
RichardS said:
I can't help feeling that they have spent pages and pages going on about various international certifications when the real issue was that the Skipper knew that 1000 L of fresh water had been pumped into one of the fuel tanks but he seems to have made only a cursory investigation about what had happened and what the possible consequences of such a huge volume of water in the fuel tanks might be. I think he should have been taken heavily to task over this incompetence but it barely rates a mention compared to all the "health and safety" procedural stuff.

Richard
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The real issue wasn't his failure to deal with his fuel problem.... That was just one part of a long chain of failures that lead to the loss... A chain of failures which began with the failure of the owners to ensure that the crew were qualified and competent to do their jobs. If the crew had been competent, then the chain of events would have been broken and the loss prevented.

The lessons that need to be learnt are not, oh, make sure your fuel isn't screwed... It's... Make sure you are running your ship safely.. Cause if we don't tackle the big issues... Then the little ones will keep reoccurring.. Though different evey time. This loss was a unending catalogue of errors... And the way to prevent these is to get the training and managment right.
 
photodog said:
The real issue wasn't his failure to deal with his fuel problem.... That was just one part of a long chain of failures that lead to the loss... A chain of failures which began with the failure of the owners to ensure that the crew were qualified and competent to do their jobs. If the crew had been competent, then the chain of events would have been broken and the loss prevented.

The lessons that need to be learnt are not, oh, make sure your fuel isn't screwed... It's... Make sure you are running your ship safely.. Cause if we don't tackle the big issues... Then the little ones will keep reoccurring.. Though different evey time. This loss was a unending catalogue of errors... And the way to prevent these is to get the training and managment right.
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We'll have to agree to differ. :)

I know what I did when I thought I might have got some water in one of my diesel tanks and it seems to have been more than that Skipper did.

Richard
 
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