LadyInBed
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Built like a brick outhouse. The boat, obviously!
Taling and coaster 33 motorsailers
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Arcady
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A Fjord MS33. Designed by Eivind Amble
bill bligh
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Put Moody Eclipse on the list
Bajansailor
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If you are on Facebook, sign up with the Motorsailer group there -
Motorsailers, motorsailors, Cruising Motorsailors & Motor Yacht Maintenance | Facebook
And in the photo albums section there are catalogues posted for the Fjord MS 33, the Neptunian and the Coaster 33 mentioned above.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1037457529671860/media/albums
Motorsailers, motorsailors, Cruising Motorsailors & Motor Yacht Maintenance | Facebook
And in the photo albums section there are catalogues posted for the Fjord MS 33, the Neptunian and the Coaster 33 mentioned above.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1037457529671860/media/albums
MoodySabre
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Alan Hill, who was on my pontoon at Bradwell, said he designed the Coaster for himself. He was older than you Steve and therefore had comfort high up the list.
NormanS
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We also have a Cromarty 36. Brilliant boat, particularly for cruising in a cool, and often windy climate. The generous side decks and deck saloon makes moving around on deck particularly safe. Going to windward is not her strong point, but gentleman don't, do they?
We sail in an area with beautiful scenery and abundant wild life, and this is when visibility from the saloon, when at anchor, really comes into its own. At times, it's like having a water bourne hide, comfortably equipped for watching what's going on. Well built, well engineered, and well able to cope with whatever is thrown at her. One happy owner.
We sail in an area with beautiful scenery and abundant wild life, and this is when visibility from the saloon, when at anchor, really comes into its own. At times, it's like having a water bourne hide, comfortably equipped for watching what's going on. Well built, well engineered, and well able to cope with whatever is thrown at her. One happy owner.
Laminar Flow
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Hi there,
In June 2020 PBO published an article I wrote on the improvements I made to our Colvic Watson 32.
Ours is a 32' aft cockpit model with a ketch rig. We have sailed her several times across the Channel, cruised Northern and Southern Brittany, Holland, the North Sea, Germany, Denmark and the Baltic as far North as Sweden and this in all weathers. She is an exceptionally spacious boat for her size, with superb load carrying capacity, a main requirement for a good cruising boat. Her large wheelhouse/cockpit area is a fine place to live in and navigate from. Coupled with an assuring seaworthiness, she is by some measure the driest boat I have ever sailed in, including others that were considerably larger. She can, due to her great buoyancy, be a bit lively in a seaway. In their original form the CW 32's sailing performance can most charitably be described as indifferent, her steering as unresponsive. The standard sail plan does not appear balanced and consequently she has a ferocious weatherhelm, with the flat steel plate rudder stalling out at the least excuse.The 32's original sail area, according to a well-known classification society, qualifies her to be essentially a motorboat with steadying sail. I base this assessment on a fair number of different sailing yachts I've had the pleasure to sail in, some of which I have a hand in restoring, modifying, building and designing. To be fair, and this has been confirmed in correspondence I've had with a gentleman who exchanged his CW for a Coaster 33, the latter will sail circles around a standard Watson.
On the upside, most of the performance shortcomings can be remedied. The steering and some of the weatherhelm issues are relatively easily solved by slightly enlarging and profiling the rudder and streamlining the crude deadwood.
Luckily for us, our boat already had a taller main mast and longer booms. This we augmented with the addition of a 6' bow sprit, a stays'l and full batten main and mizzen sails. As a result, we now have more than twice the SA as the original model and a SA/D ratio of nearly 18, which puts us firmly in the cruiser/racer category.
She now tacks reliably, even at low speeds and in a rough sea, windward performance is considerably better (lift increases to the square of the speed) and we enjoy remarkable light weather performance.
With the improvements the CW 32 makes a fine long distance cruising vessel, capable of covering longer distances under sail, in both comfort and good time. From Ijmuiden to Dieppe we managed 210 miles under sail in just 35 hrs at an average of 6 kts. From Dartmouth to Les Hanois, Guernsey, we averaged 6.8 kts over 70 miles. None the less, we still have a large, powerful engine to get us out of trouble when we cock up.
Last summer, we had the opportunity to spar against a much larger, very fine and original CW 35. The performance edge our modified 32 had under sail was quite remarkable.
Approaching 5 kts in just 6 kts true wind. At 5 BF, we easily exceed hull speed at 7.12 kts.
In June 2020 PBO published an article I wrote on the improvements I made to our Colvic Watson 32.
Ours is a 32' aft cockpit model with a ketch rig. We have sailed her several times across the Channel, cruised Northern and Southern Brittany, Holland, the North Sea, Germany, Denmark and the Baltic as far North as Sweden and this in all weathers. She is an exceptionally spacious boat for her size, with superb load carrying capacity, a main requirement for a good cruising boat. Her large wheelhouse/cockpit area is a fine place to live in and navigate from. Coupled with an assuring seaworthiness, she is by some measure the driest boat I have ever sailed in, including others that were considerably larger. She can, due to her great buoyancy, be a bit lively in a seaway. In their original form the CW 32's sailing performance can most charitably be described as indifferent, her steering as unresponsive. The standard sail plan does not appear balanced and consequently she has a ferocious weatherhelm, with the flat steel plate rudder stalling out at the least excuse.The 32's original sail area, according to a well-known classification society, qualifies her to be essentially a motorboat with steadying sail. I base this assessment on a fair number of different sailing yachts I've had the pleasure to sail in, some of which I have a hand in restoring, modifying, building and designing. To be fair, and this has been confirmed in correspondence I've had with a gentleman who exchanged his CW for a Coaster 33, the latter will sail circles around a standard Watson.
On the upside, most of the performance shortcomings can be remedied. The steering and some of the weatherhelm issues are relatively easily solved by slightly enlarging and profiling the rudder and streamlining the crude deadwood.
Luckily for us, our boat already had a taller main mast and longer booms. This we augmented with the addition of a 6' bow sprit, a stays'l and full batten main and mizzen sails. As a result, we now have more than twice the SA as the original model and a SA/D ratio of nearly 18, which puts us firmly in the cruiser/racer category.
She now tacks reliably, even at low speeds and in a rough sea, windward performance is considerably better (lift increases to the square of the speed) and we enjoy remarkable light weather performance.
With the improvements the CW 32 makes a fine long distance cruising vessel, capable of covering longer distances under sail, in both comfort and good time. From Ijmuiden to Dieppe we managed 210 miles under sail in just 35 hrs at an average of 6 kts. From Dartmouth to Les Hanois, Guernsey, we averaged 6.8 kts over 70 miles. None the less, we still have a large, powerful engine to get us out of trouble when we cock up.
Last summer, we had the opportunity to spar against a much larger, very fine and original CW 35. The performance edge our modified 32 had under sail was quite remarkable.
Approaching 5 kts in just 6 kts true wind. At 5 BF, we easily exceed hull speed at 7.12 kts.
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Robbie the bushman
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I just took that one in Swansea. Wondering how idiotic I am….
Aja
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Claysie. Are you there?I just took that one in Swansea. Wondering how idiotic I am….
Donald
Robbie the bushman
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Would love to chat with anyone who does/ has experience of them. Tbh, I loved the lines.
jaminb
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I must admit after watching Mike on I Love Sailing (not sure of the boat) and Sailing Telula (Trident ??) - I did think a wheel house / dog house / motor sailor looked a very sensible compromise between comfort and sailing. The performance doesnt appear to suffer for the size of boat?
Modern large racing yachts all appear to have hard hoods now and can be driven from inside. May be it will be the latest trend for the AWB's to follow?
Modern large racing yachts all appear to have hard hoods now and can be driven from inside. May be it will be the latest trend for the AWB's to follow?
penfold
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I'd throw the Nicolson 38 in to that group as well.
Tranona
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Much more of a sailing boat with a wheel shelter. Its origins were a keel version of the Alden Challenger yawl which Halmatic moulded for completion by Dutch and Danish yards. That was a centreboard, and the Nicholson version just added a deeper fixed keel which Halmatic moulded for them.. There is one moored almost opposite me and it is surprising how small and cramped it looks now compared with the HR and Malo 36 which are next to it. 15 years on in design and another 2' in beam and waterline length shows.
LittleSister
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If you’re referring to the YouTube channel ‘Sailing cos I love it’ the boat is a Scanyacht 290, which is a British built modified version of the Danish LM27.
I believe the moulds for the LM27 were bought by Scanyacht, who had been the UK agents for LMs, when LM moved to production of the later generation of models - the LM26, LM28, LM30 & LM32.
I think the Scanyacht 290s were originally produced by Scanyacht, later by Cygnus, possibly by others in between.
They were available with a range of modifications on the original LM27, including lead ballast which provided more weight in the space available, allowing a taller rig with increased sail area; a deeper keel option (extending the LM27’s shoal draft long keel a little); and various layout options, one of which provided a galley in the saloon instead of the wheelhouse, at the cost of losing one of the settee berths. I believe all had a short stainless steel’bowsprit’(some LM27 owners have added something similar).
They look well finished as far as I can tell from pictures, but the interiors do lack the stylishness of the ‘Scandi vibe’ (as someone on this forum put it) of the LM built boats, and the lots of little clever little touches that are one of the delights of LM ownership.
Old Thady
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I've never seen one in the flesh but Sirius yachts seem suitable for the OP's purpose. Pricey though.
Sirius 35 DS
Sirius 35 DS
DoubleEnder
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I’m just about to do a few days on board an Island Packet Cruiser, I think 42 feet. No idea what to expect….but looking forward to it.
Laminar Flow
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For the Sirius, make sure you still have two marketable kidneys available and are willing to sell your kids for medical experiments as well.
Aside, there is a considerable difference between a deck salon, even one with a pretend steering station, and a wheelhouse proper. I have owned and sailed both varieties.
Aside, there is a considerable difference between a deck salon, even one with a pretend steering station, and a wheelhouse proper. I have owned and sailed both varieties.
Aja
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Lucky for me I have three functioning kidneys - apparently not that uncommon.
jaminb
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thanks Little Sister. That's the yt channel I meant. The LM27 looks perfected suited to Mike's requirements and environment.
nevis768
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Interestingly, end of this season, I ended up with another Danish boat a Mascot 28. I did look at a LM 27 which I also really liked, but I think the Mascot sails quite a bit better. It's great having the wheelhouse for winter sailing in Scotland. It has a better hull shape for windward sailing than most motor sailers and managed 5knts easily,closehauled, in a force 2 on its first sail in my ownership.