Taling and coaster 33 motorsailers

[steve yates]

My wife came across these two and thought they looked quite atractive and well designed inside for the size.
She also liked a colvic victor 34. We both had assumed that motorsailers equalled fishers but obviously not.
Anyone know anything about these and how they sail and handle rough weather?
She’s thinking if we end up eventually being stuck to sailing close to uk they would be great for scotland aand ireland.
Any others you would reccomend?

 

[Tranona]

Nauticat 33 and if you can afford it more recent 331. Atlanta 31 a bit smaller. Neptunian, Moody Halberdier, Barbary Ketch, for something more posh HR Kutter 94 and Rasmus 35, although all open back. Trident Voyager 30 and 35. Fully enclosed wheelhouse quite difficult to achieve on boats under 40' all these are much better sailing boats than the trawler Fisher types.

 

[Aja]

Claymore 30 anyone?

 

[Caer Urfa]

The coaster 33 is like the Colvic Watson both built like a tank and as solid as they come and both ideal for cruising especially if you it heavy weather.
They both also need a bit of welly say 2 knots before tacking, both will plod a long around 5 knots all day long with F5 wind
The HR Kutter 94 is also a good motor sailor sailor but expensive compared to the others , however both the Colvic Watson and the Coaster 33 can be found with a aft cabin version

 

[LittleSister]

LM32?

Again, more sailing end of motor-sailing than Fisher.

 

[Supertramp]

Cromarty 36 but not many built.

Hull is similar to the Barbary 32 and they sail OK but really excel in stronger winds. Pilothouse is a big plus and the long keel and heavy displacement makes long passages very comfortable.

Motorsailer is an emotive and vague term - aren't most cruising yachts motorsailers? Heavy displacement, short waterline length, a large engine and sheltered steering position doesn't have to mean poor sailing performance although you might travel more slowly.

 

[Stemar]

I used to lust after a Cromarty 36 - I just like the look and she seemed so comfortable, but what I could (almost) afford was a Snapdragon

Under 30 ft, I like the Westerly Konsort Duo, but you don't see many on the market. Then there's the Beneteau Evasion series, from 22ft to 37ft.

 

[Supertramp]

The hull design is key to how the boat will sail. If you take a good sailing yacht and add "motorsailer" features you should have a good balance. I'd add the Halberg Rassy Kutter to Stemar's suggestions.

There are classic motorsailers (Coaster, Barbary, Halberdier and many others) which follow the centre cockpit/fixed windscreen or wheelhouse. They tend to be heavier for their length and not as sparkling under sail, often ketch rigged but are solid and safe and you travel in them rather than on them. And they will sail rewardingly, just not as fast as similar size yachts. The difference can be minimal when there is a mix of winds and motoring on a long passage.

Its down to personal choice and cost. A cruising yacht with a well designed spray hood could offer similar comforts with better sailing performance, especially if want a newer boat.

Reading the original post I would put comfort as the central priority. A lot to be said for not having to keep climbing up and down ladders to reach chart table and galley. And for being able to carry sail across a wide range of winds without reefing and unreefing all the time. Works for me.

 

[Minerva]

I will admit to having a real soft spot for Moody Halberdiers - there is a good few around the West Coast and they look perfect for the area.

The only thing that mildly puts me off them is I have a hankering to do a proper offshore passage and the deep cockpit with two doorways to downfall though makes me cautious as to what would happen if a large wave were to break into the cockpit offshore.

An alternative design not mentioned here is the Laurnent Giles Salar 40

 

[Iliade]

Beneteau Evasion series, eg:

34 Evasion 34 | Bénéteau [ I wouldn't object to another ten feet of mast, but when the wind blows she's a powerful boat.]

36 Evasion 36 | Bénéteau

 

[RogerJolly]

I used to lust after a Cromarty 36 - I just like the look and she seemed so comfortable, but what I could (almost) afford was a Snapdragon

Under 30 ft, I like the Westerly Konsort Duo, but you don't see many on the market. Then there's the Beneteau Evasion series, from 22ft to 37ft.

Interesting that Cromarty 36 is listed on Neilmarine site Fisher & Classic Motor Sailers

Along with other classics. Anyone bought one/know anybody that bought one?

 

[Wansworth]

A ferequent poster had a Colvin 30or 34 he rigged it with a taller rig on main and mizzenmast and re Designed the rudder,name escapes me but soundecompetent

Lamina Flow

 

[V1701]

Neptunian 33...

@Laminar Flow has a CW32 with mods for much larger sail area...

 

[Supertramp]

Interesting that Cromarty 36 is listed on Neilmarine site Fisher & Classic Motor Sailers

Along with other classics. Anyone bought one/know anybody that bought one?

I bought an old one.

3 years on I am happy with the decision. It's a heavy boat but not as heavy as a Fisher 34 or Colvic 34. Everyone says you can't have a pilothouse below 40ft but it works for me, provided you can deal with the cockpit arrangement. It is well built with good quality fittings and reasonably easy to maintain, repair and update. It is not a boat for tacking up tight channels but it is a steady and comfortable passage boat which has looked after me well in several 30knt+ episodes. It feels safe and offers amazing internal space for a 34.5ft hull.

I suspect a new one would cost a fortune and if in the market I would look carefully at modern design alternatives like Nauticat or Sirius. If money was no object I would probably go Nauticat 35/36. Buying an old one for considerably less meant the alternatives were old Fisher 34, Coaster, Halberdier.

 

[Arcady]

Still a little bit in love with my ex really: 33’, inside and outside helm, sailed very nicely!

 

[iantomlinson]

We have a colvic victor 34. Surprising how well they sail. Needs a good blow but steady as owt. Well made but must be professionally fitted out. Turns on sixpence. 7knts max. In a short chop can bounce. I do single handed and dead easy to manage. 360 degree vision inside from sitting. Double helm position brill. Huge cockpit. Will seat 7 comfortably outside. Well worth a look.

 

[steve yates]

Interesting that Cromarty 36 is listed on Neilmarine site Fisher & Classic Motor Sailers

Along with other classics. Anyone bought one/know anybody that bought one?

That cromarty looks like it has a great interior, I am rather taken with that.
Minerva, I agree, I've always liked the look of those moodies too and thought they must be perfect for Scotland.

 

[SteveA]

I will admit to having a real soft spot for Moody Halberdiers - there is a good few around the West Coast and they look perfect for the area.

The only thing that mildly puts me off them is I have a hankering to do a proper offshore passage and the deep cockpit with two doorways to downfall though makes me cautious as to what would happen if a large wave were to break into the cockpit offshore.

An alternative design not mentioned here is the Laurnent Giles Salar 40

I had Spearax for 10 years, sailing around the Irish Sea, and in all that time we only once had a greeny join us in the cockpit which quickly disappeared down the cockpit drains; I did consider having it coded for charter and one of the additions was to fit wash boards. It sailed well considering its weight (about 10T) but was tricky when trying to steer astern.

 

[RogerJolly]

I bought an old one.

3 years on I am happy with the decision. It's a heavy boat but not as heavy as a Fisher 34 or Colvic 34. Everyone says you can't have a pilothouse below 40ft but it works for me, provided you can deal with the cockpit arrangement. It is well built with good quality fittings and reasonably easy to maintain, repair and update. It is not a boat for tacking up tight channels but it is a steady and comfortable passage boat which has looked after me well in several 30knt+ episodes. It feels safe and offers amazing internal space for a 34.5ft hull.

I suspect a new one would cost a fortune and if in the market I would look carefully at modern design alternatives like Nauticat or Sirius. If money was no object I would probably go Nauticat 35/36. Buying an old one for considerably less meant the alternatives were old Fisher 34, Coaster, Halberdier.

Good info thanks on Cromarty 36. Liking the idea of scaling up from my Hunter Pilot 27 should the money gods ever smile on me.
If it is actually a thing they’ll build a new one for you at Neil’s, could always sell up, pick it up in Sri Lanka and start cruising from there

 

[Zagato]

Still a little bit in love with my ex really: 33’, inside and outside helm, sailed very nicely!

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Pretty for something with a doghouse, what is it?