Sunseeker Camargue 44

46 you find them from 2006 onwards and yes u need 300k. 46 is the 43 extended in length to have the third cabin, and become a 50ft plus over all.
The 43 is a great boat as I have sold a dozen of them over the years, including twice the one with Volvo74s 480hp good for 28/29 knots.

The 46 was made in response to the Rizzardi 45 Incredible which had three cabins, and is also a nice boat.
Rizzardi was a big challenge to the Pershing 43 better in some ways, but also much more expensive both new and used.

This was the niche of three cabins 14 and sub 15 meters meters sport cruiser in Italy, most dedicated to the South Italian market.
With the main three being Pershing 46, Rizzardi 45 Incredible, Dalla Pieta 48 (50) Al'anir, and Ilver 47 Scuba.
With the top seller being the Rizzardi selling like forty units in a production run of five years.
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
This was the niche of three cabins 14 and sub 15 meters meters sport cruiser in Italy, most dedicated to the South Italian market.
With the main three being Pershing 46, Rizzardi 45 Incredible, Dalla Pieta 48 (50) Al'anir, and Ilver 47 Scuba.
With the top seller being the Rizzardi selling like forty units in a production run of five years.
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W, forgive me for being pedantic, but the DP 48/50 was actually named after the Al Ta' Ir (aka Altair) star.
Al Na' Ir (aka Alnair), in spite of the tiny spelling difference, is another star which they used to designate the 43 and the 55 with fully opening/sliding hardtop+side windows.
Two models too eclectic to be appreciated back then, in fact as rare as hen's teeth, but very nice and ahead of their times in many ways.

Anyway, back to the point, I must say that I never really understood the overwhelming success of the Incredible.
I've only seen one which was a bit neglected, but conditions aside, while there's no denying that she's a nice boat, I'd rather go for either a Pershing or a DP in a heartbeat.
Good call also ref. the Scuba, BTW.
Another eclectic boat in more ways than one, but definitely worth considering, for anyone interested in a HT boat in that size bracket.
 
petem said:
What the quality of the general engineering like (all those bits like pumps, wiring, a/c, fire suppression, etc)?
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Agree with PYB .I went through a P 43 with fine toothed comb .Impressed .It was a MAN version .Grown up 13 L inline 6 s .

We anguished on the two vs three cabin debate .Even was sweet talked by the Sunseeker dealers onto a Porto 53 and even larger Pred sixty somethings .Wife said far too big and in the end my head ruled over the heart .
Extra guests have simply use hotels .Or our apparent in Antibes Works better for a certain generation.Those friends un familiar with boats are better day boated anyhow imho .

In the end stuck to a two cabin + 2 bathrooms set up .A mid machinery space at this 14/15 M size splits up the accommodation so each couple has there own private space .

Also we prefer a larger bathing platforms so to sit the tender ( aft cabin sacrificed for stern cabin suit ) .Fixed not cassette Passerelle.Acts as a crane abs are zero maintenance risk .
The Camargue46 and P 43 fall have fixed passerelles .

What attracted me to Itama over the rest of the field was the style simplicity and of course the sea keeping .Even a Riva broker sent me off in the Itama direction .
A st Tropez broker in a hanger with 3 Itama and 2 Pershings …..pointed at the pair of Itama over Pershings when the seakeeping subject by me was aired . Hard not to ignore professional advice really .Up to then I pretty ambivalent just hankered after a sub 15 ( already had the berth waiting ) , and wanted to move away from anything to do with ageing Volvo Penta .

No regrets thus far .
We get masses of complimentary conversations from folks esp Italians everywhere , anywhere , any time .FWIW ?
 
MapisM said:
W, forgive me for being pedantic, but the DP 48/50 was actually named after the Al Ta' Ir (aka Altair) star.
Al Na' Ir (aka Alnair), in spite of the tiny spelling difference, is another star which they used to designate the 43 and the 55 with fully opening/sliding hardtop+side windows.
Two models too eclectic to be appreciated back then, in fact as rare as hen's teeth, but very nice and ahead of their times in many ways.

Anyway, back to the point, I must say that I never really understood the overwhelming success of the Incredible.
I've only seen one which was a bit neglected, but conditions aside, while there's no denying that she's a nice boat, I'd rather go for either a Pershing or a DP in a heartbeat.
Good call also ref. the Scuba, BTW.
Another eclectic boat in more ways than one, but definitely worth considering, for anyone interested in a HT boat in that size bracket.
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AlTaIr it is, I am sure you are correct. I was gonna call it open, and that Alnair, I still have the Nautica boat review from 1992 or 93.
I made year (possibly more) looking at the DP55, it was something out of the ordinary at the time. Probably still is a bit.

The Rizzardi 45 Inc scored points for the following;
1. its cockpit was the best one for free space and available in two versions standard and or longer dinette with smaller sun-pad.
2. Was available with both shafts and or surface drives (this S version introduced in 06) selling in total 60/40
3. Of the above with exception for the Incredible where not made of cherry wood (it was possible to do it) but as I was told they never made one (oak and wenge preferred with the first being 90% of the builds).
4, Smaller in LOA (just over 14) but wider (only Ilver was wider). Marinas look at length with the exception of Salina in Eolian islands.
5. While Rizzardi was not giving any discounts at the time he was the one giving most value to trade ins (hence why he was in difficulty and in 2012 or 13 he went down) now since 16 returned in full operation.

The 45 Inc has evolved into three other models over the years the 50 Inc 2011, 48 In 2016 to 2020 and, InFive (2020 - onwards).

btw that Ilver series designed by Guida (Vista, Scuba, Piper) where actually build in Viareggio in the Sanlorenzo premises in around 2001 to 2004 and had the hull originating from the 57/62 SL.
The Guida Ilvere where ahead of time, from a designer who has defied convention a lot of time in the last years.
 
I had a Camarge 44 for nearly 5 years. Fairly recently. I thought it was brilliant in nearly every way. I would 100% buy one again with hindsight. Clearly with boats there are always compromises. I will try and tell you the good and the bad.

I had the CAT engines which were very reliable while we owned her. In perfect conditions with polished props and freshly stripped/reapplied antifoul she touched 32 knots. More normal performance during the season was a shade under 30 knots. Cruise speed was 24 max but more usually 22 as I was never keen on stressing the engines at 20 years old. It was only on the very flattest days I wished for more speed.

Yes, she had a tendency to ride bow high which is most people’s criticism of the C44 however this can be nearly entirely solved with max tabs down which seemed to make no discernible difference to economy or speed at cruise of 20-24 knots. Maybe not ideal, but considering how good the boat was in other ways a fair compromise.

Layout couldn’t be better for the UK in my opinion. Can’t comment on sunnier waters sadly. One absolutely huge entertaining space which can be in the shade or sun based on your preference. Heated in winter. Great wind protection even with the covers off which is, I think, the most important thing in the UK.

The flip flop sun pad back rest is absolutely fantastic. Something I miss on my new boat, which is flat so you’re forever manoeuvring cushions. It means you can lounge reclined but not flat while gazing out at the water or feel smug drinking your bubbles and looking down at people walking along the pontoon.

The swim platform with lifting passarelle is just big enough that you can get a small planing rib on rather than a floppy tender. Big advantage over many similar priced options as it means you can explore further afield wherever you go. Plus no inflating/deflating/storing an outboard.

All C44’s came with a proper low speed diesel generator as far as I know, which cannot be said for many other similarly priced options. Often they had no genny at all. I found this to be essential for keeping everything chilled. Especially if you’re out for several days which we often were.

I would have liked a bigger water tank. It would do 2 days without topping up but anxiety kicked in beyond this unless you are very careful.

I would have liked the generator to be in a sound shield as it‘s slightly intrusive. Far better to have one than not though. It does have an exhaust separator so it’s not loud, just not near silent like they are today.

Engine noise is significant. Biggest benefit of my new boat which is essentially the same layout but newer is how quiet it is. Having said this, I had many people comment on how good she sounded especially at start up on the pontoon. I think Sunseeker were aiming for a sporty sound in those days. A great upgrade would be to insulate the engine bay to todays standards. The exhaust would still be loud but I think that’s the more pleasant sound compared to what comes up through the cockpit floor. Anything on out drives will be quieter obviously but this comes at a price as I’m sure you’re aware.

The windscreen is curved and tinted. Not great for seeing out of heading towards a setting sun. Looks super cool though!

I liked the forward facing radar arch configuration for getting wind protection and full sun.

Handling at cruise speed is on the sedate side. Very stable but not sporty. Low speed handling is exceptional. Only improvement I would make is a more powerful bow thruster which would help when windy. This is very rarely a problem and again I think this is an age thing. Bow thrusters have got more powerful as standard now.

Lots of other great boats out there in this bracket but I would highly recommend the C44 having owned one.
 
Back in 1999 i came close to part/exing a Broom 41 for a new Camargue 44 with the Jersey based dealer of the time, Richard something or another. iirc the cost new was 200k with a decent spec.

i did a sea trial in the solent and it was a really beautiful boat but a change of circumstance saw me leaving boating completely instead, only returning to it late last year as it goes.

I think boats of this era are truly beautiful so good luck in your quest.
 
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