Sunseeker 80 knot boat

PowerYachtBlog said:
Without research I would say late seventies early eighties Versilcraft and or Tecnomarine
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W, aren't you possibly confusing Panther with Phantom, which was indeed a Versilcraft brand?
Mind, actually I understand your confusion, because indeed CNSM (Cantieri Navali Santa Margherita) was founded by Spertini, and they were much better known for Alalungas.
But at some stage, they also built some (actually similar) boats named "Panther" - I believe while still owned by Spertini, though I'm not positive about this.
At least, that's as far as I can remember.
But since you made me curious, I just googled for Panther+Santa Margherita, and I found this ad, which seems to confirm that the boat was built by S.M., based on a Caliari design, allegedly - even if they misspelled his name in the ad... :ambivalence:
 
MapisM said:
W, aren't you possibly confusing Panther with Phantom, which was indeed a Versilcraft brand?
Mind, actually I understand your confusion, because indeed CNSM (Cantieri Navali Santa Margherita) was founded by Spertini, and they were much better known for Alalungas.
But at some stage, they also built some (actually similar) boats named "Panther" - I believe while still owned by Spertini, though I'm not positive about this.
At least, that's as far as I can remember.
But since you made me curious, I just googled for Panther+Santa Margherita, and I found this ad, which seems to confirm that the boat was built by S.M., based on a Caliari design, allegedly - even if they misspelled his name in the ad... :ambivalence:
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Thanks P, and William / JulianS too, whenever I see the movie it reminds me of Vas's boat. I'm not normally a lover of old things but I do reckon these were particularly handsome craft.
 
petem said:
Thanks P, and William / JulianS too, whenever I see the movie it reminds me of Vas's boat. I'm not normally a lover of old things but I do reckon these were particularly handsome craft.
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Does anybody know if there any plastic equivalent about .
I realise they will be a bit younger as the transition from wood to plastic occurred .

Was thinking Benetti 62 as 1 - any others ?
Not quit as pretty as the wooden stuff - agree but a better bet ownership wise ?
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2000/Benetti-SD-62-2527431/Italy#.WnrTEebTWhA
 
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masmar3.jpgThis was Masmar's largest model of 75J, built in Finland, with a maximum speed of 60kn and a cruising speed of 45kn / 500nm. Boat length 23 meters, width 4.5 m, draft 1.4, dry weight 32 000kg, fuel 6000 liters, machinery 3 x CAT 1400hp, Rols Royce jet. V-Hull 23 °. The boat is not a racing boat but a cruiser.masmar1.jpgmasmar2.jpg

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Portofino said:
+1
Does anybody know if there any plastic equivalent about .
I realise they will be a bit younger as the transition from wood to plastic occurred .

Was thinking Benetti 62 as 1 - any others ?
Not quit as pretty as the wooden stuff - agree but a better bet ownership wise ?
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2000/Benetti-SD-62-2527431/Italy#.WnrTEebTWhA
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Something like a Falcon 60 would be a slightly newer plastic equivalent....

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1989/Falcon-60-2871324/France#.WnrXMf-IDIU
 
Portofino said:
+1
Does anybody know if there any plastic equivalent about .
I realise they will be a bit younger as the transition from wood to plastic occurred .

Was thinking Benetti 62 as 1 - any others ?
Not quit as pretty as the wooden stuff - agree but a better bet ownership wise ?
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2000/Benetti-SD-62-2527431/Italy#.WnrTEebTWhA
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I'm 90% sure that there's no such thing as a plastic Panther.
Otoh, several yards in the transition phase gave their clients the option of building either in wood or GRP.
Cantieri di Pisa, Canados, Alalunga, Marchi, Maiora are some I'm aware of.
Mind, in those days plastic was the poor men choice, because wooden boats were more expensive, hence usually bought by folks with a money no object approach.

An interesting example are the two following Alalungas:
http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/barche/1993/Alalunga-20-3026343
http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/barche/1996/Custom-Spertini-ALALUNGA-65-3169243
The first is one of the latest all wood constructions, and the latter is practically a GRP sistership.

BUT, the first was actually more sophisticated, in more ways than one.
As an example, just look at the different side doors: the plastic boat has the usual pantograph opening (possibly electric, but they could also be manual, not sure), which leaves the door in the way of the side passage when left open.
In the wooden boat, not only the doors are pneumatically operated, hence completely silent and smooth as silk, but the opening mechanism moves them inside first (airplane style), and then slides inside the superstructure, eventually hiding the doors completely when opened - go figure.
Afaik, no forum boat has anything like it. You must move to superyacht league, to find this sort of solutions.
Otoh, she has no thrusters. I mean, not even a b/t. Easily retrofittable of course, but after all her maneuverability is bound to be good enough to have survived a quarter of a century without them... Albeit in good hands, no doubt.
It would have been interesting to hear what Spertini (RIP) would have thought of the latest joystick generation of boaters!

Must admit that I lost a bit of sleep on this specific boat, because she is in amazingly flawless conditions, always sheltered off season and constantly maintained and helmed by a very experienced captain.
At that asking price (strictly driven by the fact that nowadays there's no demand for wooden boats anymore, arguably for somewhat good reasons), her VFM is, quite simply, mind blowing.
But eventually, swmbo forced me to have a momentary glimpse of reason... :ambivalence:
If someone here in the asylum feels like standing head and shoulder above the already high average forum madness, I'd be happy to tell him more about this fine vessel!

PS: ref. the boat in your link, a Benetti actually she ain't. Long (and boring) story behind her, but in a nutshell, forget it.
 
Portofino said:
+1
Does anybody know if there any plastic equivalent about .
I realise they will be a bit younger as the transition from wood to plastic occurred .

Was thinking Benetti 62 as 1 - any others ?
Not quit as pretty as the wooden stuff - agree but a better bet ownership wise ?
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2000/Benetti-SD-62-2527431/Italy#.WnrTEebTWhA
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Similar quality plastic equivalents:
- Alalunga 65 HT (nothing to do with hard top, HT stands for High tech because it was plastic build, not many build of this)
- Sanlorenzo 62 or 57 (I would go for the 62 cause it has big Man 1100 motors, the 57 is okay with Man 820hp but most have smaller 735hp GM)
- Posillipo 58 oer 63 Technema (really big and will fell like a bigger modern 70 footer)
- Tecnomarine T58 or T62 (RIghini design the first and Caliari the 62)
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
Similar quality plastic equivalents:
- Alalunga 65 HT (nothing to do with hard top, HT stands for High tech because it was plastic build, not many build of this)
- Sanlorenzo 62 or 57 (I would go for the 62 cause it has big Man 1100 motors, the 57 is okay with Man 820hp but most have smaller 735hp GM)
- Posillipo 58 oer 63 Technema (really big and will fell like a bigger modern 70 footer)
- Tecnomarine T58 or T62 (RIghini design the first and Caliari the 62)
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Tnx - PYB and MapishM.
Just to be clear ,just curious asking - and to round off the interesting part of this thread .
Wife says NO - @ bigger boat .
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
Without research I would say late seventies early eighties Versilcraft and or Tecnomarine, but yes it does say Cantieri Santa Margherita in the description.
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W.,

I cannot argue I know 1/10th of what you do, but all the Versilcrafts I've seen of that era, have certain details (portlights, railing, hawsepipes, etc) that I cannot find in the JB boat that pete posted. That's the scene outside Corfu, with some antiquities in the seabed, and a couple of forgotten cylinders coming handy, right? Ah, and a big bugger shark around, yeah right...

shouldn't we have a thread (or better threads!) with nicely designed mobos by decade/material/country built/speed/etc?

V.
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
Sometimes a new boat needs big sacrifices as a new wife... ;)
An Italian separated from his wife to get a Mangusta 80 a couple of decades ago.
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I also came across a boater who separated from his wife because of his boat, albeit completely different: a stunning Sangermani, arguably better than any 'gustas in many ways.
The boat as such was not to blame though - the fact that he was caught onboard with another young lady had much more to see with that.
Are you sure that the situation you mention didn't have some similarities?
For some reason, I struggle to imagine a wife leaving her husband just because he can and does buy a big boat... :rolleyes:
 
MapisM said:
I also came across a boater who separated from his wife because of his boat, albeit completely different: a stunning Sangermani, arguably better than any 'gustas in many ways.
The boat as such was not to blame though - the fact that he was caught onboard with another young lady had much more to see with that.
Are you sure that the situation you mention didn't have some similarities?
For some reason, I struggle to imagine a wife leaving her husband just because he can and does buy a big boat... :rolleyes:
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Had he bought a Magnum the wife would simply joined in.
 
LOL, suggesting a Magnum to the owner of a wooden built IOR sloop...
That's what down here we would call "like the devil and the holy water".
Not sure if the same expression exists in EN, but you get the idea!
 
Im late to this party...... and I see Portfoino has already given my Superhawk 50 (with triple trimax) a knock !!! - rebuild is going well btw, back in the water in next 2 weeks for sea trials ! -

Surely the point of a boat is personal taste, and some part of that is also around how you use it. I agree re the big table, the sun beds etc etc..... but I’m sure there are plenty of boaters out there who have other priorities.

One of the reasons I am rebuilding my old boat is because I couldn’t find the ideal alternative that did everything I wanted and that’s because no boat designer has ever got out of bed and said “I need to design a boat that’s is exactly what Boat bore wants”.

A fellow South of France boater friend of mine rebuilt a Magnum 80, at vast cost. But it is very very cool, does 55 knots, is fully gyro stabilised and looks the business ! But it’s a long way from how it was when it came out of the Magnum factory.

Imagine buying a car...... I want to go shopping, take the kids to school and use it like......well a car. My mate however likes to drive from Paris to Dakar as quickly as possible in his car....... so he buys a supercharged Land Rover...... and I buy a Volkswagen...... is his car “better than mine” ? Not really..... but equally mine isn’t better than his either ! They’re just different .

In South of France we have cool boats, big boats, fast boats, slow boats, elegant boats, ugly boats, sexy boats, impractical boats, crazy boats and in some small cases, truly bad boats........ but I would still rather spend the day on the very worst of them than not !
 
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