MapisM
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Christ, is that what normally happens in Mallorca? I'm glad to not be there... :ambivalence:
Suggestions please... day cruiser in the med?
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MapisM
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petem
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You can say that again.
At "0 ex VAT" I might consider getting both...
As the saying goes, "If you need to know the price....."
Portofino
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Any perceived or likely increase in value from the shrewd investment in on shore property ( villa ) will be wiped out by the depreciation disaster of “ investing “ in a new boat .+ insurance is generally ( rightly or wrongly) based on % of value .
The OPs guilt trip when fibreglass meets concrete will be shorter and manageable with a used boat .
Portofino
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Can’t see em being interested in a T43 or 63 GTO
sorry Pete ! A chum of mine bought a shooting estate in Majorca ,a few hundred hectares to shoot partridges .
Egged on by me he then got into boating and waded in ( against my advice size wise ) with a new S/Skr Pred 90 something .
Wife hated it , did not like the sound of water lapping when sleeping .
Before the first season was out he whinged about the fuel burn constantly 800/1000 + L /h .That first Easter was early and the weather was terrible as well . They had to were coats .Not seen in the brochure pics .
The sort of guy who thought nought about £250 K + vat for a pair of Holland’s btw .He had three pairs so £1 M in guns .
Two pairs kept at the villa one in the U.K. .
The same summer the boat arrived about the third season with the villa , he used to leave the wife n kids there in the school hols while he returned home for work .
One night while was away thieves drilled holes and gassed the wife , staff and kids and robbed the place taking the guns along with other stuff .
Wife flew straight back to the U.K. with the kids and he put the villa and boat ( less than 6 months old ) on the market .
They never went back .
Google crime + Majorca to get a handle where it sits .
petem
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Well, some people like "new" stuff.
The OPs guilt trip when fibreglass meets concrete will be shorter and manageable with a used boat .
Having owned a brand new boat, and a 15 year old one, I wholeheartedly agree.
MapisM
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Scary story.
Otoh, I struggle to see how an Itama could be a solution to that problem.
Moving elsewhere is the only sensible option popping to my simple mind...
Otoh, I struggle to see how an Itama could be a solution to that problem.
Moving elsewhere is the only sensible option popping to my simple mind...
petem
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You can find violent crime everywhere, even Alpes Maritime isn't immune - https://www.thelocal.fr/20170103/heres-where-youre-most-likely-to-get-robbed-in-france.
Portofino
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Drug runners on the mainland EU don’t need a fast boats like MapisM suggested .
In the Balearics ......... hence my “ nicked in 24 hrs “ quip .
The Miami inference was the whole Don Arnonow thing I can see similarities with the style of boats made in thunderbolt alley and use age by the criminal fraternity .
A crystal ball imho is not necessary to figure that one out .
Portofino
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Scary story.
Otoh, I struggle to see how an Itama could be a solution to that problem.
Moving elsewhere is the only sensible option popping to my simple mind...
You have lost me on the Itama connection providing some sort of difference to my mates predicament he ended up in ?
Sorry for the TD ,
Just to expand the criminal fraternity and boats .
My hero Lindsay Lord started out designing rum runner boats between the wars for the mob during prohibition.Then more faster boats for other cargo .
The authorities boats couldn’t keep up in a chop / waves .
So successful he was the FBI were watching him and about to arrest him then Pearl Harbour happened.
They did bring him in for questions and it’s said usefully they commissioned him into the navy where he designed the MTB , which allegedly saved many lives in the ensuring battles in the Pacific.
After the war he established the first naval architecture school at MIT and became a professor/ dean etc .
His book is well worth a read .
“The naval architecture of planing boats “
MapisM
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Actually I didn't - this is a cut and paste of my suggestion:
"the market is offering stuff like for instance the Midnight Express 43', which gives you twice the space"
Performance was just mentioned as a side show.
Btw, the heritage of your boat comes straight from Ray Hunt, Dick Bertram and Don Aronow experiences.
It isn't my compatriot Amati who invented deep vee hulls, you know. He just perfected it, in his own way.
Trouble is, as I tried to explain in my post #22, over the Pond they were able to move on from the Magnum days.
And I don't think that all the open boats with big outboards which they sold like hot cakes in the last years were all bought "by the criminal fraternity".
Regardless, even if they were, FG can only regret not having jumped on that bandwagon, if the sales of new Itamas are anything to go by... :ambivalence:
Portofino
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All agreed
But those guys came after Lindsay Lord who scientificfted the whole planing boat thing .
Initially driven in the depression by having to turning a blind eye to the customers providence, just to keep the wolf from the door .
Later by US govs request putting what he had worked out into 70 / 90 ftr MTB,s helping the war effort .
Ending up in academia post war but he did do consultancy work .
I,am pretty sure because his book still is on the NA undergraduate reading list the guys in thunderbolt alley would be well aware of his standing in planing boats .
I heard shorty after the banking crisis say 2012 FG group only made 4 Itama boats .
Today Itama are made at the Pershing plant in Forli alongside if an order comes in so it’s not as if the guys are sat around waiting they just dig out the relevant moulds and slot one in the busy line so to speak .
As far a modernising up chasing Pardo or fjord it’s a bit like BMW getting into the 4 WD / SUV ,
Either start from scratch with the new tech or buy an existing player like Land Rover and nick the tech .
As you know FG have just completed on acquiring control of Wally who are big in the rich mans playthings and already do a nice 45/48 wally tender and FG have announced further expansion of that type .
Yup they could have started with a blank piece of paper thought up a trendy name , and spare corner of one of there many manufacturing sites .
But €80 M later ........ they hit the water swimming
There no pressure on FG to dispose of small vol marques as they don’t actually occupy a full production facility they are parasitically tacked on to a full on site .
To the OP take a look at wally tenders as a day boat .:encouragement:
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OLG
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Portofino
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Guilty as charged .
Buts what your take on theses modernist day cruisers
Pardo
Fjord
Wally
?
OLG
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It was an interesting diversion.
Modernist day cruisers... they are stunning! And I’d probably favour one over something like a more traditional targa 43 style boat. Absolutely perfect for a day boat, but probably wouldn’t overnight with one.
I wonder how well the design ages, will it look great now but awful in 5-10 years?
For me now what is interesting me and need to look into more are these modern day boats, but I’m also keen to see more with smaller (under 15m) Flybridge.
Thanks for the suggestions
Portofino
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Under 15 M flybridges for your prescription are a step backwards .
The extra useable space inside the upper helm is redundant in terms of green house effect and shade .
Nobody will want to be in there when there is no clouds and it’s over 30 degrees air temp .
Then we are back the original list I gave you ,
Take a sitting area and take big enough , that’s squeezed up on the fly at this size compared to a none tender garages open sports cruiser .
Sunpad area - disappears at the stern , Ok maybe a token bit given back up top .
Then steps - etc etc .
What you do gain is a shift to floating caravan but I put that low down on the list ( your original prescription of intended usage ) , it moves up with a FB .
A pet hate of mine or turned around is the size and stability of the table you dine on .
Everyone has to be able to sit together and all the food , plates sit on said table .No resting stuff on seats or the floor or out of hands reach .
Also in the morning just the two of you , you need with your wife to be able to open a supplement of a broadsheet news paper each and stand a cup of tea on said table without annoyingly overlapping sheets or spilling tea or any paper hanging over the edges .
So take a close look at size of the various tables in boats on offer , they all look great in pics .
Table size after dead rise .:encouragement:
Get those two stats right = happy boating
I’ll get my coat
The extra useable space inside the upper helm is redundant in terms of green house effect and shade .
Nobody will want to be in there when there is no clouds and it’s over 30 degrees air temp .
Then we are back the original list I gave you ,
Take a sitting area and take big enough , that’s squeezed up on the fly at this size compared to a none tender garages open sports cruiser .
Sunpad area - disappears at the stern , Ok maybe a token bit given back up top .
Then steps - etc etc .
What you do gain is a shift to floating caravan but I put that low down on the list ( your original prescription of intended usage ) , it moves up with a FB .
A pet hate of mine or turned around is the size and stability of the table you dine on .
Everyone has to be able to sit together and all the food , plates sit on said table .No resting stuff on seats or the floor or out of hands reach .
Also in the morning just the two of you , you need with your wife to be able to open a supplement of a broadsheet news paper each and stand a cup of tea on said table without annoyingly overlapping sheets or spilling tea or any paper hanging over the edges .
So take a close look at size of the various tables in boats on offer , they all look great in pics .
Table size after dead rise .:encouragement:
Get those two stats right = happy boating
I’ll get my coat
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stelican
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Hi
I have day boated for many years but have also had the opportunity to skipper boats up to 65ft also for many years both UK and Med.
I would suggest you have a look at the Cranchi Endurance 30 on the Cranchi website the boat will accommodate 4 overnight at a pinch and does everything you need asa day boat for a few more people infact it has a ce cert for 12.
I have day boated for many years but have also had the opportunity to skipper boats up to 65ft also for many years both UK and Med.
I would suggest you have a look at the Cranchi Endurance 30 on the Cranchi website the boat will accommodate 4 overnight at a pinch and does everything you need asa day boat for a few more people infact it has a ce cert for 12.
petem
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Sticky Fingers
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It may amuse Porto and MapisM that their (frequent) "debates" even got sufficiently off topic one day to make it as a separate thread on a Land Rover forum I frequent....
OLG
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Thanks all who have replied, really useful.
I think I’m leaning towards a modern day boat style with maximum cockpit and entertaining space.
No point getting something which caters for overnight really well if I’m only doing that a few times. Need to get something that works best for the day trips with family.
Fjord, pardo, Mazu, Alen, De Antonio, wally. Lots to choose from
I think I’m leaning towards a modern day boat style with maximum cockpit and entertaining space.
No point getting something which caters for overnight really well if I’m only doing that a few times. Need to get something that works best for the day trips with family.
Fjord, pardo, Mazu, Alen, De Antonio, wally. Lots to choose from
