Suggestions for a yacht 7.5m max that can dry out!

[DuncanHall]

Seal Sinbad. I had one for a few years and happily dried out in the Bristol channel. They don't cost much but sail well.

 

[Seajet]

Very strong Andy.

I believe you are in effect calling him a liar. I think a little investigation of his personal profile prior to calling him a troll is justifiable!
He is and has made regular contributions to the forum. He demonstrates his experience and knowledge as a sailor of one of the most challenging areas around the Uk.

His experience with the write off of an Anderson 22 may have been unfortunate and should surely be raised as a risk on the owners forum. This makes it more important for the leader of the appreciation society to firstly have all the details investigated with an open mind.
IMHO Your reaction reflects more on you than on Old man of the hills. It does you and your owners association a disservice.
Steve.

So let's see proof;

I have visited the Bristol Channel often, I have friends there, also sailed my dinghy at Burhnam and went and surveyed an A22 at Uphill which had a chicken coop on the back - REALLY ! Never heard of any A22 sinking due to drying out...

And you yourself proved a TROLL asking me for a boat's details for an imaginary potential buyer you'd invented...you have an agenda here

 

[oldmanofthehills]

How come I have never heard of or from you in decades of running the Anderson Owners Association, long before the internet when it costed me even more than now in postage then ?

The mast, as if you ever had one, is 26' + lights, VHF aerial; people with a brain reverse the aerial when lowered so it doesn't poke someone's eye out.

Even boasting I reckon 26' is enough, another sign you have never had or probably not even seen one; if one has a boat and the locker lids get washed away, that would be due to the owner never having sailed dinghies or read ANY sailing books, as attaching ties to locker lids is one of the first rules of the sea.

It's also first among the 12 page ' top tips ' I send to owners who bother to contact me; of course complete ****ts who didn't ask wouldln't get this, in every way it seems

You are either a fool, someone who has never googled ' Anderson 22 ' ( so also foolish if your stated problems were genuine ) or a troll - as you're here now on the ' net but have never contacted me with your problems I've never heard of with any other A22 here on earth, I reckon it's still safe to say you're a troll; PM me and let's have a face to face chat if you're genuine.

I know and have visited several A22's in the Bristol Channel - an area I sailed in with dinghies too - and your description of mud scouring does not match any law of physics I am aware of...Troll - still feel free to PM me, I look forward to it.

Well you clearly do not know as you as you think - much like the rest of us. I bought Jumping J(ack) in 1989 from Newbridge Boats of Chard then launched her at Uphill Creek on the Somerset Axe and took her to Lydney YC where I already had a mooring on the foreshore and hoped she would be less vulnerable than my old Sailfish which had suffered bottom damage due to sitting on a tide shifted rock. I regret I never measured the mast but I suspect like several, mine was heavily over rigged as for the Atlantic race - though fortunately the heads were not amidships and she wasnt chopped to keep her to 6.5m or whatever). Anyway the mast was too heavy for me to raise on my own and length had nothing to do with it.

Sadly the sometimes 4 kt tides through the trots at Lydney were and issue and as it just at the start of the Severn Bore wave and chop can be extreme and if she lent outwards on a falling tide having only perhaps 6 inches of mud under her overlaying red sandstone rubble, then on an incoming tide waves banged against the starboard gunwale and sometime came on board. (Legs are completely impractical in such currents) So she nearly swamped but I was alerted by a club member and then later swamped completely, so I bucketed her dry and took her to River Axe at Uphill to my own personal mooring. She still sat a bit funny but was ok as mud there is deep - that is until 8 March 2008 when a F10 gale was bringing waves over the cliffs at Sennen (a wonderful picture which we bought for my stepson) and probably F8 to 9 across the trots at Uphill. I had been down to check hatches and bilges but when I went to inspect her the next fortnight all I could see was a mast. I suspect she had sat funny again but cant be sure. Anyway I salvaged her took my insurance money and sold her after cleaning her up - though this afternoon she is propped in Uphill parish wharf and has not been in the water for years and her Romanian owner has broken the rudder.

No doubt I am foolish for sailing a boat in the Upper Bristol Channel, and no doubt foolish to have joined a club that had such an exposed mooring that 3 boats were damaged and one Cat was sunk ( they reopened Lydney canal since and all the boats moved inside). I dont know why the locker hinge failed when pounded by breaking waves but no doubt I was foolish to believe the arrangements on a newish boat were adequate and I agree that ties might have helped. If you dont believe the tidal scour you can go there and see that where the moorings chains still sit there is now muddy red sandstone.

No doubt I was foolish to then move to moorings with no ready liftout facilities such that I left her on the water in the dog days of March. Uphill Yard is shall we say difficult If you dont believe river and tidal scour you can see the easterly River Axe bank has crumbled by the mouth of Uphill Pill and moved perhaps 6m such that moorings half way up bank are now in the rocky river bottom.

On the plus side Lydney YC taught me to sail the highly tidal Severn Estuary, its sometime 6kt tides, its overfalls and giant whirlpools (at Whirls End under the old Severn Bridge) and Uphill taught me that boats are vulnerable if left unattended and auto bilge pumps are a comfort

I doubt that joining the Anderson 22 Owners Association would have helped me deal with tidal scour, exposed rocks and hostile weather on moorings, and by the time we had internet to search for help or an Association I was already intending to sell her. She was a nice second boat but not suited to 4 day trips to Brittany and Ireland, and not really suited to the drying harbours of the english bank of the Bristol Channel except perhaps at Burnham.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

So let's see proof;

I have visited the Bristol Channel often, I have friends there, also sailed my dinghy at Burhnam and went and surveyed an A22 at Uphill which had a chicken coop on the back - REALLY ! Never heard of any A22 sinking due to drying out...

And you yourself proved a TROLL asking me for a boat's details for an imaginary potential buyer you'd invented...you have an agenda here

The boat in Uphill parish wharf - not yard - was my beloved Jumping J and its Romanian?? owner may have left it in a mess once he stopped living on it but it didnt have a chicken coop on it when I walked past it this afternoon and never did have these last 10 years since he bought it.

 

[Seajet]

I surveyed that boat more than 20 years ago, the owner then did indeed have a chicken coop by the pushpit - he was a young English chap who lived aboard while working at the Uphill chandlery which I know well as my fiancee lived nearby.

The boat was then bought by an Eastern European sailor who gave her a much needed serious refit.

So I do seem to know more about your boat than yourself, and Top Tip don't dry her out on brick rubble !

 

[oldmanofthehills]

I surveyed that boat more than 20 years ago, the owner then did indeed have a chicken coop by the pushpit - he was a young English chap who lived aboard while working at the Uphill chandlery which I know well as my fiancee lived nearby.
The boat was then bought by an Eastern European sailor who gave her a much needed serious refit. So I do seem to know more about your boat than yourself, and Top Tip don't dry her out on brick rubble !

The Anderson 22 Jumpin J was only salvaged by myself to Uphill wharf in April 2008 so you could not have seen her ashore 20 years ago. She was then sold to Gerald X who got her seaworthy again, sold on to an unknown person before the eastern European bought her (he claimed to want to sail her to Romania or such like). I failed to follow all the steps as I had better fish to fry but hoped she would go to sea again. Unless there was a second Anderson buried unnoticed in the wharf debris 20 years ago and sold to lad from boatyard then an eastern European then the Anderson you saw must have once been mine. I would have been delighted if another Anderson 22 had sailed from Uphill earlier as then we could have had a class race. I am not sure I have retained purchase receipts from 1989 or my insurance settlement from 2008 to prove my ownership. Perhaps you remember dates wrongly? Its pure serendipty I know the date of her sinking as it just happens to match the dates on the photo of the waves breaking over the 120ft high cliffs at Sennen, and one day after my return from skiing the day before.

You may be lucky to sit in flat deep mud at Burnham but perhaps you should let those of us with more difficult moorings sort it out ourselves. The sandstone substrate at Lydney was buried under 6 to 8 inches of mud. The unfortunate housebricks or rubble that damaged my first boat at Lydney and sank one hull of a cat were swept there by the tides and exposed when some of the mud was swept away, which is why everyone there (about 12 boats) eventually moved to the canal when finally the lock gates were mended, long after I left. The mooring at Uphill is deep mud but exposed to strong westerlies particularly at spring tides when there are unpleasant waves in the river. Plenty of boats there have dragged moorings or similar over the years and we used to have a part time river warden to keep an eye on things.

Perhaps you can visit your mooring every day and night but most of us can't and things happen in our absence. It seem fairly unhelpful to chastise folks for things beyond their control or mock their misfortune.

 

[Seajet]

I checked over Jumpin J at Uphill decades ago, my father was with me, we often remark about the trip and boat and I took plenty of photo's - which I will try to find - I have had a bit of a computer disaster lately but the pics must be around somewhere.

As well as the ' chicken coop ' on the transom she had nasty household plastic plumbing fittings straight through the side; she was ashore in the yard and obviously the chap living aboard had no intention or knowledge of taking her to sea.

I have only known one A22 being sunk, on a badly laid protruding mooring in Chichester Harbour - which could happen to any boat.

Jumpin J's next ( Eastern European ) owner did a great refit, the last pics I saw of her showed her transformed and in fine trim - as far as I know he still has her.

I was not ' chastising ' you, but it does make sense to check what seabed a boat is drying on !

I'll try to find the pics.