Suggestions for a yacht 7.5m max that can dry out!

[Seajet]

Anderson 22's settle upright in mud, which a drying mooring should be; Zagato may not like the look but a lot of people do and it works jolly well.

I would also second the Trident 24 which may not be so quick, but not slow at all and has impressed me no end.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

Anderson 22's settle upright in mud, which a drying mooring should be; Zagato may not like the look but a lot of people do and it works jolly well..

Anderson 22 don't dry out well on hardish mud but lean at a prodigious angle rendering them vulnerable to swamping on rising ttide. Legs are possible of course on hard ground but ill advised except in very sheltered moorings

 

[JumbleDuck]

Anderson 22's settle upright in mud, which a drying mooring should be

Anderson 22 don't dry out well on hardish mud but lean at a prodigious angle rendering them vulnerable to swamping on rising ttide.

Seajet has a little experience with Anderson 22s ... you? Also, if they don't swamp and sink while the tide is going down, how would they do it with the tide going up?

 

[TSB240]

Anderson 22 don't dry out well on hardish mud but lean at a prodigious angle rendering them vulnerable to swamping on rising ttide. Legs are possible of course on hard ground but ill advised except in very sheltered moorings

I am sure I read earlier that it was Zagato's friend that wants a boat that can dry out upright on a sandy bottom moored between adjacent bilge keelers and that is more retro /traditional?

Standard forum etiquette has developed still further to ignore or not fully read and understand the requirements and recommend your own boat even when it has previously been rejected by the potential end user!

Perhaps we could create a new PBO forum term for this.

"Seajetted " :encouragement:

 

[JumbleDuck]

I am sure I read earlier that it was Zagato's friend that wants a boat that can dry out upright on a sandy bottom moored between adjacent bilge keelers and that is more retro /traditional?

The Anderson 22 may not be traditional in the plastic gaffer sense, but is a lot more traditional looking than, say, a Red Fox and many other modern boats. The back's narrower than the middle, for a start.

I once sailed in a Hunter 490 (the A22's wee sister) which lived on a drying mooring in Aberystwyth. The owner had made a "bra" for her - two old car tyres joined by a couple of ropes, which could be easily pulled into position one each side of the keel. She still heeled a little when dried out, but only few degrees.

 

[Seajet]

Anderson 22 don't dry out well on hardish mud but lean at a prodigious angle rendering them vulnerable to swamping on rising ttide. Legs are possible of course on hard ground but ill advised except in very sheltered moorings

Is this a wind - up or a specialised chapter of a thesis on ' Bollockspeak ' ?

Depends what you call ' hardish mud ' - like mud or concrete ?

Never heard of an A22 swamping at either sort of place.

Nobody but an inexperienced fool would leave any boat on legs unattended except in the most sheltered place - one A22 did it successfully inside the Cardiff barage, but this applies to any boat; anyone with an imagination can work out the horrible damage likely if one leg sinks in and a boat leans heavily on it, as is bound to happen at a normal mooring on Planet Earth.

To see a proper boat sitting happily in mud, have a look at

http://www.anderson22class.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/landau__moorings_007.jpg

TROLL ! :beaten:

 

[tjanna]

Snappie 747 , had mine for 4 years now. If your looking for an exceptional example, it will be going on the market this season. Along with a fully galvanised twin axle trailer. Looking to up size :encouragement:

 

[viago]

Anderson 22 don't dry out well on hardish mud but lean at a prodigious angle rendering them vulnerable to swamping on rising ttide. Legs are possible of course on hard ground but ill advised except in very sheltered moorings

run for cover.

 

[viago]

http://yachts.apolloduck.co.uk/boat.phtml?id=559102

 

[PeterV]

Anderson 22 don't dry out well on hardish mud but lean at a prodigious angle rendering them vulnerable to swamping on rising ttide. Legs are possible of course on hard ground but ill advised except in very sheltered moorings

You should tell the owner of the A22 that was moored off the Essex Yacht club on hard sand for about 20 years, or the one off Thorpe Bay Yacht club on hard sand, I'm sure they will be very worried now.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

Seajet has a little experience with Anderson 22s ... you? Also, if they don't swamp and sink while the tide is going down, how would they do it with the tide going up?

I used to own one for over 18 years. Swamped twice on rising tide due to incoming tide action (3kt tide) bringing small wave over downhill side, and also started to swamp once but hurriedly sorted though my locker lids did wash free and escape. Eventually sank on mooring from this problem and sold as insurance write off. I assure you that Severn Estuary/Bristol Channel boaters on moorings are paranoid about mooring but the insurance assessor told me the almost the only local calls he gets are from boats damaged on moorings for as he said we might sail for 35 days but boat is vulnerable for the other 330.

Anderson 22 ok in soft mud as just leans a bit but tidal scour and river scour in Severn Estuary/Bristol Channel (Lydney, Uphill etc) can take soft mud away from under boat leaving hard mud or worse under the keel.

Fast boat and strong but IMHO better suited for racing than cruising. I now stick to bilge keelers. Full lift keels leave bottom of boat vulnerable, partial lifting keels and long keelers sit funny if mud is not gloop

 

[JumbleDuck]

I used to own one for over 18 years. Swamped twice on rising tide due to incoming tide action (3kt tide) bringing small wave over downhill side, and also started to swamp once but hurriedly sorted though my locker lids did wash free and escape.

Thanks. I'll remember that if I take the Hunter 490 to sea - she lives on fresh water at the moment.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

Thanks. I'll remember that if I take the Hunter 490 to sea - she lives on fresh water at the moment.

I bought my Anderson 22 with the intention of trail sail so thought ultra shallow draft a good idea to get her on and off trailer. Not only was I unable to raise 27 ft mast on my own without a crane but she sat funny on my various moorings. Your Hunter seems much more suitable to trailing but if you move to sea mooring just need to make sure they are not drying or the mud is deep and soft enough to let the keel sink in.

 

[JumbleDuck]

I bought my Anderson 22 with the intention of trail sail so thought ultra shallow draft a good idea to get her on and off trailer. Not only was I unable to raise 27 ft mast on my own without a crane but she sat funny on my various moorings. Your Hunter seems much more suitable to trailing but if you move to sea mooring just need to make sure they are not drying or the mud is deep and soft enough to let the keel sink in.

I had a Westerly Jouster with a 26' mast which I could raise and lower on my own - I even did it afloat a couple of times - but it was right at the limits of practicability, and just a slight reduction in mechanical advantage would have ruled it out. The Hunter is fairly easy, but she has a full traditional rig - forestay, cap shrouds, lowers, backstay - which is all a bit of a faff on not really what you'd want to deal with for a day sail.

 

[Seajet]

I used to own one for over 18 years. Swamped twice on rising tide due to incoming tide action (3kt tide) bringing small wave over downhill side, and also started to swamp once but hurriedly sorted though my locker lids did wash free and escape. Eventually sank on mooring from this problem and sold as insurance write off. I assure you that Severn Estuary/Bristol Channel boaters on moorings are paranoid about mooring but the insurance assessor told me the almost the only local calls he gets are from boats damaged on moorings for as he said we might sail for 35 days but boat is vulnerable for the other 330.

Anderson 22 ok in soft mud as just leans a bit but tidal scour and river scour in Severn Estuary/Bristol Channel (Lydney, Uphill etc) can take soft mud away from under boat leaving hard mud or worse under the keel.

Fast boat and strong but IMHO better suited for racing than cruising. I now stick to bilge keelers. Full lift keels leave bottom of boat vulnerable, partial lifting keels and long keelers sit funny if mud is not gloop

How come I have never heard of or from you in decades of running the Anderson Owners Association, long before the internet when it costed me even more than now in postage then ?

The mast, as if you ever had one, is 26' + lights, VHF aerial; people with a brain reverse the aerial when lowered so it doesn't poke someone's eye out.

Even boasting I reckon 26' is enough, another sign you have never had or probably not even seen one; if one has a boat and the locker lids get washed away, that would be due to the owner never having sailed dinghies or read ANY sailing books, as attaching ties to locker lids is one of the first rules of the sea.

It's also first among the 12 page ' top tips ' I send to owners who bother to contact me; of course complete ****ts who didn't ask wouldln't get this, in every way it seems

You are either a fool, someone who has never googled ' Anderson 22 ' ( so also foolish if your stated problems were genuine ) or a troll - as you're here now on the ' net but have never contacted me with your problems I've never heard of with any other A22 here on earth, I reckon it's still safe to say you're a troll; PM me and let's have a face to face chat if you're genuine.

I know and have visited several A22's in the Bristol Channel - an area I sailed in with dinghies too - and your description of mud scouring does not match any law of physics I am aware of...Troll - still feel free to PM me, I look forward to it.

 

[DJE]

Sorry Seajet you're wrong about scour. It is well documented around bridge piers and similar structures, and it happened to me once in a bilge keel boat aground in a fast ebb stream in Poole Harbour.

 

[Seajet]

Sorry Seajet you're wrong about scour. It is well documented around bridge piers and similar structures, and it happened to me once in a bilge keel boat aground in a fast ebb stream in Poole Harbour.

Sorry chum but I know about scour, having worked on my and the clubs' moorings for 40 years, inspected our moorings and getting a pro' digger team in...

Oldgit or whatever he calls himself has either never even seen an Anderson 22 or is wildly incompetent to a degree I've never even heard of - even now he manages to complain on here but apparently couldn't manage to google ' ANDERSON 22 ' where he would have found collective centuries of tips from owners for free !


Therefore me thinketh ' 'tis a troll...

 

[DJE]

I'm not interested in the particulars of the Anderson 22 or who is or isn't a troll. But I can't let this phrase go without comment.

- and your description of mud scouring does not match any law of physics I am aware of...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_scour

Any solid object placed on a soft bed in a stream is liable to produce scour. It is the reason why you get holes around rocks on sandy beaches; and it is common cause of bridge collapses in floods. A boat drying out on a falling tide is no exception. Of course the extent depends on the strength of the current and the nature of the bed so it doesn't happen everywhere. But it hardly violates any laws of physics.

 

[TSB240]

Sorry chum but I know about scour, having worked on my and the clubs' moorings for 40 years, inspected our moorings and getting a pro' digger team in...

Oldgit or whatever he calls himself has either never even seen an Anderson 22 or is wildly incompetent to a degree I've never even heard of - even now he manages to complain on here but apparently couldn't manage to google ' ANDERSON 22 ' where he would have found collective centuries of tips from owners for free !


Therefore me thinketh ' 'tis a troll...

Very strong Andy.

I believe you are in effect calling him a liar. I think a little investigation of his personal profile prior to calling him a troll is justifiable!
He is and has made regular contributions to the forum. He demonstrates his experience and knowledge as a sailor of one of the most challenging areas around the Uk.

His experience with the write off of an Anderson 22 may have been unfortunate and should surely be raised as a risk on the owners forum. This makes it more important for the leader of the appreciation society to firstly have all the details investigated with an open mind.
IMHO Your reaction reflects more on you than on Old man of the hills. It does you and your owners association a disservice.
Steve.

 

[newtothis]

How come I have never heard of or from you in decades of running the Anderson Owners Association, long before the internet when it costed me even more than now in postage then ?

The mast, as if you ever had one, is 26' + lights, VHF aerial; people with a brain reverse the aerial when lowered so it doesn't poke someone's eye out.

Even boasting I reckon 26' is enough, another sign you have never had or probably not even seen one; if one has a boat and the locker lids get washed away, that would be due to the owner never having sailed dinghies or read ANY sailing books, as attaching ties to locker lids is one of the first rules of the sea.

It's also first among the 12 page ' top tips ' I send to owners who bother to contact me; of course complete ****ts who didn't ask wouldln't get this, in every way it seems

You are either a fool, someone who has never googled ' Anderson 22 ' ( so also foolish if your stated problems were genuine ) or a troll - as you're here now on the ' net but have never contacted me with your problems I've never heard of with any other A22 here on earth, I reckon it's still safe to say you're a troll; PM me and let's have a face to face chat if you're genuine.

I know and have visited several A22's in the Bristol Channel - an area I sailed in with dinghies too - and your description of mud scouring does not match any law of physics I am aware of...Troll - still feel free to PM me, I look forward to it.

This does come across a bit: Don't you know who I am? Perhaps the OP takes the Groucho Marx approach to clubs and associations. Perhaps he's happy just working things out for himself rather than accepting someone else's received wisdom. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be joining your gang, as you appear to think you have the right to know all about me and that I should be regularly checking in with you. Sod that.