Studland bay preservation association

[jac]

This assumes that he wants debate.

Steves motive here is to "save" the seahorses by banning boats / anchoring if there is the slightest iota of a possibility that they damage the eelgrass / other habitat.

To do that he will use any means that he can - That is his role and personal attacks on him are redundant - he doesn't care about balance of probability, long established rights, safety of people etc.

We want almost the polar opposite - anchoring to stay permitted there unless there is concrete proof that we are killing seahorses.

Therefore we can never agree on a mutually acceptable outcome - one side will do better than the other.

We need to get an organisation / spokesman to counter the ST / seahorse lovers propoganda - almost muddy the waters with the BBC / media on which is best for the seahorses sufficiently so that natural england / crown estate etc can make decision based on a rational weighing of the scientific and legal evidence.

As long as this is portrayed as cuddly seahorses and their caring society against rich yachties and warped local vested interests then the quango making the decision will be faced with a potentially very adverse PR situation if they strike a balanced decision.

 

[webcraft]

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Here is a quote from Steve's Facebook page

The ******** local's want to put thier summer moorings back out into the eelgrass this spring , we are trying to stop them....

a r s e h o l e locals? He obviously has every intention of discussing it reasonably with them then.

(I've kept a screenshot as I presume he will edit it after reading this . . . social networking sites can be such a minefield for activists . . . )

- W

 

[Ubergeekian]

This is what has happened in Scotland when the RSPB have taken over tracts of land to 'encourage' corncrakes. The corncrake population on these reserves has declined.

Odd bunch, the RSPB. I used to fly gliders over their Vane Farm reserve. We regularly heard shots from below - yup, the RSPB sells shooting licenses to people who want to hunt birds. As long as they are the wrong sort of birds, it seems.

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

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Here is a quote from Steve's Facebook page

a r s e h o l e locals? He obviously has every intention of discussing it reasonably with them then.

(I've kept a screenshot as I presume he will edit it after reading this . . . social networking sites can be such a minefield for activists . . . )
- W

Firstly, I'd like to retract my comment: "Incidently, thanks for having the balls to come here and talk directly to the people who will be affected".

Secondly can you post the screen shot? Maybe with www.tinypic.com?

I think this should go to the local papers - Bournemouth Echo?

 

[webcraft]

Steve Trewhella's facebook page - screenshot

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HERE IT IS

(Not going to publish it directly on here in case Dan throws a wobbly, but anyone else can now)


- W

 

[MAD FRANKIE]

Peace

Well I'm hoping for a peaceful summer ,so I can sit on my boat on its mooring minding my own business as I have done every summer.
It would be a real shame if its disturbed by certain individuals.
Thanks for the posting from Facebook ...great stuff

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

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HERE IT IS

(Not going to publish it directly on here in case Dan throws a wobbly, but anyone else can now)
- W

Any pretence that any of this is going to be evidence based is just pie in the sky.

I must admit, I was suckered by it.

Seems clear there will be no research, just a half wit with an agenda based totally on a preconceived idea.

 

[Twister_Ken]

His Facebook description of himself:

"All round trouble maker who swears too much"

Also screen-captured.

 

[Ubergeekian]

What a strange man he seems to be.

As I understand it, he claims that Studland is home to a thriving colony of seahorses, which is nice, and that all leisure marine activity should be banned, because it will upset the seahorses. Although they are thriving. With current levels of leisure marine activity.

Oh, and diving isn't to be banned, because he likes doing it. And having great big smelly humans with trails of bubbles flail around doesn't disturb the seahorses, oh dear me no.

His photographs of toilet paper are interesting. Not only because every sea toilet I have ever seen or used turns it to mush before discharge, but because toilet paper disintegrates very quickly in water. It has to, because when versions with wet strength have been tried the sewage companies went ballistic.

So ... I wonder how "toilet paper" came to be there so handily for him to photograph. Can't have been there more than a very short time. Remarkable.

 

[Twister_Ken]

Caught short when diving , maybe?

 

[DogWatch]

Same old comments from the same old people.
The excrement was real, we have other photo's and we will be asking for water tests this year, south beach is not tested at the moment.
I have posted many photo's of seabed damage on these threads over the last year, and yes the data will be avalible for all to see this summer.
I don't want to keep going over the same ground over and over again.
If you can all prove that your not doing any harm down there , then you have nothing to worry about.
I don't care what you think or say about me, it really is water off a ducks back.
I won't post any more comments , there really is no point talking to you.

If we are telling lies , the site will not become a marine reserve , what are you worried about ?
Only the data and science will help Studland gain this protection, we can't make it up as we go along, it will all be checked.
I'm glad mad frankie thinks raw sewage in the sea is so funny, I'm sure the public will also laugh when they see it, just before they cancel thier holiday in Dorset.

Ever considered getting a real job, B ship fodder.

 

[DogWatch]

If I had access to a scallop dredge I would come down and tow a few times up and down the bay... Problem would go away over night.

 

[ST44]

oh dear.

Oh dear.
You have been busy.
I'm honoured that you have all spent so much time scouring the internet looking for articles on Studland, there are so many.
I mean every word I say.
And don't scare that easily, what do you think I'm going to get told off or something ?
Its a free country , and I will say what I believe to be true.
I have been verbally abused by local's many times , while diving at Studland and at meetings.
I have zero respect for these self appointed leaders of the village.
They are greedy business men, who's only agenda is to make as much money as they can, and to keep the moorings that they never had permission for.
They have no regard for the bay , or anything that lives there.
The anonymous yotties on these threads are no different, from what I've seen.
Many people at Studland support us, and these cronies don't represent the village.
Many would love to get rid of the smelly gin palace's.
My goal was never to ban boats from Studland , we suggested eelgrass friendly moorings from day one.
Although two years down the line , I would be more than happy to see the back of you.
The last comment about taking a scallop dredger through the eelgrass just about sums you all up, I have also saved some of these comments.

 

[DownWest]

ST44, the majority of posters here are interested in a balanced, evidence based view, not much sign of that from your end.
The scallop dredging remark was stupid, and not representative of most here. But you use it to tar all your enemies.
What ever the rights and wrongs of the eelgrass/seahorse situation, you have changed it into a polorized discussion which does nobody any good, certainly not your 'cause'.

This a bit like the global warming people shooting them selves in the foot by by knowingly using fake evidence. They may be right, but nobody believes them now.

A

By the way, most people here are not really anonymous.

 

[DogWatch]

The last comment about taking a scallop dredger through the eelgrass just about sums you all up, I have also saved some of these comments.

yes indeed, the bay is threatened now by a flippant remark made on an internet forum from over 250 miles away. I am going to keyboard the eel grass away, what a nasty nasty man. To use that as evidence of something, anything, well, it makes you a raving moron; But I guess it also shows everyone here where you collate data, here take this one too

I kill sea horses for fun, I have video footage of me cutting their heads off and laughing about it with other sea horse murderers. We were mocking you while we did it.

For a man who had finished posting with the nasty rich people you don't seem to be able to stay away.

You really are a funny little man, carry on as you are, no one will ever take you seriously.

 

[DogWatch]

The scallop dredging remark was stupid, and not representative of most here. But you use it to tar all your enemies.

Aw come on, this is getting alike a religion, did I offend someone?

Steve has become so damn touchy if anyone even dares diss his babies, the man deserves to be mocked.

Right I'm off to torture some sea horses, you should hear them scream!

 

[ST44]

Cretin.

Even I realise that these comments are not representative of the other people on this forum.
It is for effect.
The man is a cretin.
I will save his comments just in case he ever turns up at Studland, I'm sure Natural england would take an interest in what he would like to do to a protected species.

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

ST44,

I have two questions for you..

1] Do you believe in using science as a means to good decision making?

2] Do you believe in independent peer review of scientific data?

I'd be very interested in your positions on these

 

[glashen]

Oh dear.

The last comment about taking a scallop dredger through the eelgrass just about sums you all up, I have also saved some of these comments.

Well I see the Humour Bypass operation worked well then!

One point a reason no Scallop Dredgers have scoured the bay up to now is the existence of the moorings.

You say that the Studland Bay residents and Yachtsmen who oppose you have no regard for the bay. I have always supported the trial I also believe it is sensible to avoid the eelgrass when anchoring, I would support the introduction of environmentally friendly mooring and would be prepared to pay to use one. I would also support a proper management plan. However I find the goalposts being moved I can now see demands for no anchoring in half the bay and the removal of all moorings. What next the whole bay and then every other anchorage that might have seahorses and still no proper evidence apart from the same 4 photographs, oh yes and now a photo of some soiled paper.

Regarding anonymity my username is my boat name and I think a quick search on google will tell you a fair bit about me.

 

[ST44]

Science.

I am happy for science to be used as a means to good decision making.
So long as it done by a credible organization .
The marine reserves we talk about will be based on the scientific data collected on the species and the habitat.
This cannot be made up.
I am a conservationist ( unpaid ) not an activist, makes me sound like Osama bin laden, I am also not a scientist, and have never pretented to be.
Data on Studland damage will be published, when the time is right.

I pick up and highlight issues that are too contentious for the N.G.O.'s to take on.
With good success.
The data will be indepentently reviewed, you cannot produce a scientific paper and put it into the public domain without going through this process.
This is up to the less vocal members of our group.