Strom Jibs with furling headsail

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How do people hoist a storm jib with the genoa taking up the forestay? I see Kemp do a sleeve to go around the furled genoa whilst Saturn Sails do a wrap-around storm jib. Has anyone used these systems and are they any good? Other than fitting a movable inner forestay are there any other options?
 
I've used a storm sail on an inner forestay a few times now and the conditions I needed it in meant that there were already large loads on the existing forestay with the windage of the rolled genoa.
My inner forestay attached to the same bow fitting as the roller forestay, about 6-8" behind, which meant I could leave it attached and if I had to tack I just rolled up the genoa to get it between the two stays.
The storm sail was hanked on and ready to hoist if we were expecting heavy weather, and two stays were always in place when it was getting breezy.
My concerns about the sleeved storm sail would be that as you decide to change from main to storm sail it will already be getting pretty rough and I wouldn't want to be up on the foredeck for long sorting out the sleeved sail.
The point of the seperate forestays is that they are virtually unused so almost as new when you come to use them, which gives you quite a bit more confidence in the rig.

I would be interested to hear stories of the sleeved types use in rough conditions as well...just in case I end up sailing a boat with this approach sometime.

Looking forward to some interesting replies.

Neil
 
Ages ago we put up a storm jib with a sort of sleeve that went over the furled genoa. The main genny sheets were taken down to the stem and the jib then slowly fitted. Took two peeps in the bow and when it was set it was not great. Also there was a significant degree of wear to the sacrificial strip on the genny. Can't remember whether it went through to the sail itself but given time it certainly would have.

Don't know what boat you have but on our Sigma 362 having an inner forestay tacked down at the atf end of the anchor locker make putting on a heavy weather/storm jib v.easy and the resulting sail, being further back, performes v. well.

Look forward to reading about other peeps experience on this one as I have always wondered how they make a sucess of it!
 
It says a lot that SCV coded boats were (and probably still are) required to have a separate inner forestay for the purpose of setting the storm jib. There is no better way as others here have said.
 
Thing I always wanted to try:

Since you want to use the genoa most of the time, the inner stay just gets in the way if perminent. But if movable then you have to f about on the foredeck in worsening conditions connecting it and then hanking on the storm jib.

How about this:

Roller furled jib on inner stay for deployment from the cockpit. Genoa hanked on (or roller furled) on outer stay.

Then there is the side by side twin furling set up.
 
Of course you can overcome all these little local difficulties by having cutter rig in the first place! It's even better when the stays'l is attached to a boom and is self tacking. Once rode out 2 days of Force 10-11 in the Med in a gaff schooner using a reefed fore stays'l lashed down so that we could heave to with the wheel lashed hard over to windward. Quite comfy, really. But hellish noisy.
 
It doesn't realy get in the way, it just means you have to roll up the genoa to tack. The inner stay would be attached if we expected to be on a single tack for any length of time, or if there was any sign of needing the storm jib. So it was all set up long before it got rough.
It was a very easy mod to a standard rig.
Neil
 
Re: Is this daft?

The babystay would need then to be supported with running backstays from the same height on the mast but more of a problem is that it may be too low anyway for the ideal storm jib stay. The easiest temporary stay position is from just under the forestay to just behind it at the foot as this will need the least reinforcing. We did this on our old W33 and the base of the stay went onto the bow roller fitting and still cleared the reefing drum. On our current boat we have a removeable stay in 'cutter stay' position from about the 2nd spreaders and running parallel to the forestay to a reinforced point on the foredeck but we also have removeable running backstays to support it. We have both a staysail and a storm jib that set on this stay which is normally stowed back close to the mast with the runners on the shroud plates. In practice 99 times out 100 we use the rolled genoa, since to use the staysail or storm on the removeable stay would entail a trip up front and getting wet, something which these days I try and avoid. The theory is that if really heavy weather is expected the stay would be rigged in advance, probably with the chosen sail hanked on, the practice these days is that if really heavy weather is expected we watch TV in harbour unless the trip is off the wind, although if we were on a long passage it would of course be different, perhaps...

Robin
(currently watching golf on TV whilst it is cold wet and windy outside)
 
Hi
My storm jib seems to have a built in forestay. It shackles straight to a deck fitting and is hoisted with a spare halyard, is this common?
KW
 
Problem with that (storm jib with built-in forestay) is that 'they' reckon it's difficult to set it with enough tension in the stay to make an efficient sail for going to windward, coz the forces on the sail while its going up make it impossible to winch it tight enough. Also, coz it's not hanked on to a stay, it's gonna thrash all over the shop when you try to set it.

Actually in 30 something years of south coast sailing, I've never had a storm jib up, except to see what it looked like.
 
Ken,
I have just tried out my removable inner forestay with new storm jib. It seemed great - except that I couldn't sheet it in properly. The clew comes aft of the inner lower shrouds and fouls on them, whether taken outside for off the wind, or inside for closer work. Having gone to a lot of trouble designing and fitting a reinforced tack u-bolt in the foredect in a position reachable from the fore-hatch, this is a major problem.
I am considering using one inner lower shroud to fore end of coach-roof instead of the two, but would like other comments.
The boat is my newly-finished Trintella 29.
Ken
Ken
 
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Ken,
I have just tried out my removable inner forestay with new storm jib. It seemed great - except that I couldn't sheet it in properly. The clew comes aft of the inner lower shrouds and fouls on them, whether taken outside for off the wind, or inside for closer work. Having gone to a lot of trouble designing and fitting a reinforced tack u-bolt in the foredect in a position reachable from the fore-hatch, this is a major problem.
I am considering using one inner lower shroud to fore end of coach-roof instead of the two, but would like other comments.
The boat is my newly-finished Trintella 29.
Ken
Ken

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Ken,

maybe you have already, otherwise have you tried to add a strop at the jib tack ? say from 50cm to 1m ? it brings the sail higher (less resistance to waves breaking on deck) together with the clew, which might then clear your shrouds
 
I have the same problem with my storm jib. On the wind, I would rig barber haulers on my sheets to keep the sail hardened.

However, like Ken I've never yet needed to use a storm jib in 30 years. We now have a No3 jib fitted with hanks which sets on the inner stay. This is high cut with a foot pennant and sheets well outside the stays. I use this a lot, eg this weekend when we were beating into up to 37 knots apparent. Very comfortable with 2 reefs in the main and the big genoa stays rolled up out of the way.

Would recommend you invest in a No3 or blade.
 
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Ken,
I have just tried out my removable inner forestay with new storm jib. It seemed great - except that I couldn't sheet it in properly. The clew comes aft of the inner lower shrouds and fouls on them, whether taken outside for off the wind, or inside for closer work. Having gone to a lot of trouble designing and fitting a reinforced tack u-bolt in the foredect in a position reachable from the fore-hatch, this is a major problem.
I am considering using one inner lower shroud to fore end of coach-roof instead of the two, but would like other comments.
The boat is my newly-finished Trintella 29.
Ken
Ken

[/ QUOTE ]This may not bear directly on your problem, as Ken says, you probably just need enough pennant - but some boats have their shrouds so well abeam that they need to have lazy sheets, ie one inside, one outside - to cover the usable range for the sail in differnet conditions.
 
>I am considering using one inner lower shroud to fore end of coach-roof instead of the two, but would like other comments.<

I'd be very reluctant to muck about with the standing rigging, which someone who knows what they are doing has engineered that way.

Given that a storm jib is a pretty small sail, would getting it recut to move the clew to a better position be an easier option? Or putting a couple of ring bolts somewhere to take storm jib-specific fairleads that will clear the shrouds?
 
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