Strait of Messina

[sailaboutvic]

Ok guys this may help . It a reply from

Inviato: venerdì 27 settembre 2013 18:13
A: VTS Messina
Oggetto:

Dear Sir
Can you please advise me as soon as possible with the information that I am requesting.
We are a 12 metre sailing yacht and we will be motoring our yacht from the south of Sicily thought the Messina going North , we will be keeping close to the Sicily coast and at no time will be entering the TSS lanes or going near them , reading your rules it says vessels over 24 metres need to radio in to control , my question is , as we are under 24 metres (12 metres) and will not be entering TTS or crossing the lanes do we need to radio in as your rule seen to say we don’t have to .

That you so much

Their reply ...


good evening answering his question
the reporting and optional, you can navigate within the inshore traffic zone, risevate the boat less than 20 meters, the vts messina remaining at its disposal on VHF ch 16/10 for any additional information.

 

[SamanthaTabs]

There must be countless places where VHF contact is required/suggested/encouraged/alleged as necessary, we were advised to call up entering Malta which we did. Having already arranged our mooring they weren't interested, grazie hafna Pm winging its way to you tomorrow sailaboutvic!
On the Messina thingy, would rather make the call than risk a fine - just sayin'. Part of op thread was info passed on thanks to CA.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Thanks Sam I wait for the PM

Re Malta , we stopped calling In a few years back when they became part of the EU .

Re Messina there is an email from them on my last posting .

Time to move on I think , if weather good we should be in Licata some time end of next week so see you there .

 

[Tony Cross]

Just for the records , I don't think the CA is a waste of time but for what they can offer me I not willing to pay well over 100 pounds , we need to,stop coming to blows over the CA .

www.bluewatersailor5.webs.com

We're not coming to blows, we're much too civilised for that.

We just have a difference of opinion about the value of membership of the CA. Were we standing around the water cooler together, you and I would almost certainly not talk about the CA because we both understand each other's point of view, and we both know we're not going to change that. But we're on a public forum here where there are many potential CA members and so every time you suggest that there is no point in joining I'm afraid I will respond with all the reasons why I think they should.

For anyone wondering about what the CA does and what it offers members I have uploaded a pdf copy of the CA Information Leaflet to my public Dropbox account at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25934908/CA%20Flyer.pdf.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Good morning Tony , at last we agree on some thing . ( we bothy have different opinion on the CA ) . And so we should .

This thread is a fine example of info given out by clubs , who are supported by member money , I like many other have read your quote given by then , which I think it very bad advice for two reasons

1 ... it simply not correct and you putting more pressure on the guys trying to do a very hard job , safely controlling shipping .

And 2 rather then trying to work out the wording of the rules or if they didn't understand the rule , all they had to do is write of Email them for answer then past that info to their members just like I did yesterday , ( or is that too much like hard work ?
after all you and other like you pay them good money for their good professional advice and not guess work .

Yes I know by write this I will leave myself to being attack by all the other CA member on here , so be it , but the fact are the fact like it or not , your club didn't give you the best advice they could and because of their advice it left everyone in the dark taken guesses regarding the rules .


One last thing Tony any chance you can get me a 95 % discount . Smile .

Please for give any spelling mistakes

 

[Tony Cross]

Good morning Tony , at last we agree on some thing . ( we bothy have different opinion on the CA ) . And so we should .

This thread is a fine example of info given out by clubs , who are supported by member money , I like many other have read your quote given by then , which I think it very bad advice for two reasons

1 ... it simply not correct and you putting more pressure on the guys trying to do a very hard job , safely controlling shipping .

And 2 rather then trying to work out the wording of the rules or if they didn't understand the rule , all they had to do is write of Email them for answer then past that info to their members just like I did yesterday , ( or is that too much like hard work ?
after all you and other like you pay them good money for their good professional advice and not guess work .

Yes I know by write this I will leave myself to being attack by all the other CA member on here , so be it , but the fact are the fact like it or not , your club didn't give you the best advice they could and because of their advice it left everyone in the dark taken guesses regarding the rules .


One last thing Tony any chance you can get me a 95 % discount . Smile .

Please for give any spelling mistakes

Well, again that's all opinion. You're making assumptions about what the CA did or did not do and then criticising those assumptions.

If you qualify to join as an overseas members (with an overseas mailing address) I can get you a quite substantial discount. It's all on the website at http://www.cruising.org.uk.

 

[sailaboutvic]

We are going to have to stop meeting like this Tony , people going to start to talk .

A weather window as opened up and We getting ready for and 160 miles trip so this is the last I have to say to this posting .

Once Again we agree , I am making assumption but on the bases of what you said the CA did .

These are Your words not mine .

"What the CA actually did was to locate the relevant Italian legislation which turned out, not surprisingly, to be rather vague on the issue and open to some interpretation."

I take it from that that they pull out the same doc I and other have , it the only rules I know of unless someone can tell me different .

No where in the doc it says that boat of under 24mts has to contact MTC .

OK let's give them the benefit of Doubt , so it was vague and open to interpret ion .
One would think if It was importation enough for member to be concern and bring it to their attentions , with it being vague and open to interpret they would then contact MTC and Verify the rules .

Yes it all assumption on my part Tony , what isn't an assumption is the advise was wrongly given and they should at less make it clear .

To people who says ," I would rather call them up then risk a fine"

Fine for what? Unless you breaking some other law , it clear from the doc I read and the EMail I got from MTC it optional and you won't be fined , the yacht that got the so call fine was breaking other rules , and I say so call fine because he wasn't really fine at all , but told if he left Italy he didn't have to pay , what type of fine is that ?

Has I said there a lot more to this story , I guess we will never know the truth .

Thanks for the offer of getting me a discount , MMMmmm have to think about that one , to be honesty as I said before I would be happy to pay the full amount if I thought I would benefit from the member ship , but when I read this type of advise I just wonder ,

Keep safe guys enjoy the rest of the week end I not going to have any more to add , I think I said too much already and upset a lot of CA member in doing so .

 

[Tony Cross]

We are going to have to stop meeting like this Tony , people going to start to talk .

A weather window as opened up and We getting ready for and 160 miles trip so this is the last I have to say to this posting .

Once Again we agree , I am making assumption but on the bases of what you said the CA did .

These are Your words not mine .

"What the CA actually did was to locate the relevant Italian legislation which turned out, not surprisingly, to be rather vague on the issue and open to some interpretation."

I take it from that that they pull out the same doc I and other have , it the only rules I know of unless someone can tell me different .

No where in the doc it says that boat of under 24mts has to contact MTC .

OK let's give them the benefit of Doubt , so it was vague and open to interpret ion .
One would think if It was importation enough for member to be concern and bring it to their attentions , with it being vague and open to interpret they would then contact MTC and Verify the rules .

Yes it all assumption on my part Tony , what isn't an assumption is the advise was wrongly given and they should at less make it clear .

To people who says ," I would rather call them up then risk a fine"

Fine for what? Unless you breaking some other law , it clear from the doc I read and the EMail I got from MTC it optional and you won't be fined , the yacht that got the so call fine was breaking other rules , and I say so call fine because he wasn't really fine at all , but told if he left Italy he didn't have to pay , what type of fine is that ?

Has I said there a lot more to this story , I guess we will never know the truth .

Thanks for the offer of getting me a discount , MMMmmm have to think about that one , to be honesty as I said before I would be happy to pay the full amount if I thought I would benefit from the member ship , but when I read this type of advise I just wonder ,

Keep safe guys enjoy the rest of the week end I not going to have any more to add , I think I said too much already and upset a lot of CA member in doing so .

Have a safe trip.