Steelboats

[bbg]

Once, burning wood and spray foam . Fire went out quickly. A friend did the same thing , on a steel 34 ft Saugeen witch . 2 ft by 2 ft area of foam and plywood burning, form an oil stove 12 with 35 f gallons of diesel on the floor,, and wooden hatches and plastic vents open. Fire went out quickly due to lack of air.
What is your solution?
None ?
Abandon ship, and watch her burn ? That is what I thought!
I haven't sailed into Vancouver in decades.
So who's to confirm anything there ?
Only a liar

Did those fires happen when the boat was at sea? i.e. not in port or while anchored? Because that is the scenario you have been talking about.

If a fire goes out so quickly by closing the hatches, it will work regardless of the hull material. So that is not an argument in favour of steel.

My solution? I've never had a fire on board, but I know people who have. While at sea. Really at sea i.e. not in sight of land. On both occasions the fire was caught early and fought with extinguishers. Instantly out. The fires you describe could also have been fought with extinguishers.

 

[newtothis]

Right, if no one else is going to claim it, I'll take post 1,000 in this thread. Can we go outside and play now?

 

[jordanbasset]

Right, if no one else is going to claim it, I'll take post 1,000 in this thread. Can we go outside and play now?

You missed the boat, I suppose it could have sunk or went up in flames

 

[capnsensible]

You missed the boat, I suppose it could have sunk or went up in flames

Until this thread, I thought 'reefing' was just to do with making sails smaller rather than what people do to park steel yachts.

 

[newtothis]

You missed the boat, I suppose it could have sunk or went up in flames

Bugger, spent too long on the Baja lee shore, after all. In defence, m'lud, I was using the mobile display of the website, which I've belatedly found lists the number of replies, not the number of posts.

 

[jordanbasset]

You missed the boat, I suppose it could have sunk or went up in flames

Until this thread, I thought 'reefing' was just to do with making sails smaller rather than what people do to park steel yachts.

Bugger, spent too long on the Baja lee shore, after all. In defence, m'lud, I was using the mobile display of the website, which I've belatedly found lists the number of replies, not the number of posts.

 

[rotrax]

Once, burning wood and spray foam . Fire went out quickly. A friend did the same thing , on a steel 34 ft Saugeen witch . 2 ft by 2 ft area of foam and plywood burning, form an oil stove 12 with 35 f gallons of diesel on the floor,, and wooden hatches and plastic vents open. Fire went out quickly due to lack of air.
What is your solution?
None ?
Abandon ship, and watch her burn ? That is what I thought!
I haven't sailed into Vancouver in decades.
So who's to confirm anything there ?
Only a liar

Wow-is that all you have to say after being caught out stretching the event?

Who said anything about Vancouver Brent. You are well known in BC. Your abrasive attitude and mindbending repetition of the same old stuff means you are easy to find on social media.

Someone you know and was aware of your little fire incident told others about it. It soon spreads around.

It was not difficult for my contact to ask around about it. When the snowbirds returned home-you said yourself it was warming up nicely there-he got a result.

You lead others to believe you had a serious fire when a good hit with a fire extinguisher would have also put out your little fire.

I bet you did not have an extinguisher on board, Brent, so had no other option.

That is why some of your advice is dangerous, Brent. Just because you got away with it, it certainly would not be possible with many vessels, my current one included.

Posting and suggesting it is the best way to cope with an onboard fire for all vessels is irresponsible.

But then, my vessel, heavily built, well designed and eqipped with four large extinguishers of different types for different situations could not suffer a fire from the cause you had. Other causes, possibly. But not from a dry exhaust poorly built and close to flammable material.

A liar, Brent?

Dont push it, it might bite you in the bum.

 

[Brent Swain]

Put a mesh over the pipe so fat burgers can't fall down the pipe. Simple.

Sitting about waiting on your dumb bum waiting for a fire to put itself out is just daft. Attack the source, it's not like you haven't got gazzilions of gallons next door.

And yes, I have had extensive training on fighting fires at sea, above and below the waves.

You let me down with those two, Brett. Don't suppose you will stop trying to convince hundreds of thousands of people you are right, but hey, we know don't we.

In a fraction the time it takes you to get any of those "gazillions of gallons" into a hard to reach area under the cockpit , half the boat will have burned, oil under the engine will have caught fire, and spread the fire throughout the boat, floating on top of that water , before you get the second bucket in. Meanwhile, you have the boat wide open, giving it plenty of air.
Whoever trained you, left you still, incredibly naive.

The point about fat burgers, is avoid elbows and corners. That would have made clearing a far more complex problem. Londoners know about fatbugers, their sewers jammed up with them.

 

[john_morris_uk]

Did you try and put your fire out with fire extinguishers before you closed down your boat, Brent?

How many fire extinguishers did you have on board and what size and type were they?

 

[Brent Swain]

After a supper of venison steak, washed down with a big cup of nettle tea, I sat in the cockpit, watching huge sea lions gorging themselves on herring, in the moonlight , some using my boat to herd them against.
The following morning I woke up at the crack of 9 am, in an empty ,beautiful, island anchorage, with sunlight streaming thru my ports. I turned on the radio, and listed to the traffic reports, to hear what I was missing .
Breakfast of more venison steak, and I headed out , counting 15 bald eagles, also gorging on herring. Nice run up the strait, in brilliant sunshine, ,surrounded by snow capped mountains, as far as the eye could see, not a cloud in the sky. Got in, and before I got moored, friends were around ,welcoming me back. Shared supper with a wonderful young, liveaboard lady, from the great liveaboard community here .
Boy you sure wouldn't want to get advice from someone like me. Horror of horrors, you could end up living like me, as I have done most of my adult life!
Some say I am envious of those in the city traffic jams, going to work , to pay off debts for most of their life, and would rather be in their shoes!
Ya sure !

 

[Brent Swain]

Did you try and put your fire out with fire extinguishers before you closed down your boat, Brent?

How many fire extinguishers did you have on board and what size and type were they?

2-5 lbs CO2 and one 5 lb Dry chem. Will buy another 5 lb CO2 soon. No more dry chem ones.

 

[Brent Swain]

Confirmed from where in BC? BC has enough coastline to go 2/3rds the way around the world. "Confirmed from BC" is like saying' "Confirmed from Europe." How would anyone who was not there (and no one was but me) be able to confirm anything?
You are obviously making things up , eliminating the credibility of anything else you post.

 

[capnsensible]

In a fraction the time it takes you to get any of those "gazillions of gallons" into a hard to reach area under the cockpit , half the boat will have burned, oil under the engine will have caught fire, and spread the fire throughout the boat, floating on top of that water , before you get the second bucket in. Meanwhile, you have the boat wide open, giving it plenty of air.
Whoever trained you, left you still, incredibly naive.

The point about fat burgers, is avoid elbows and corners. That would have made clearing a far more complex problem. Londoners know about fatbugers, their sewers jammed up with them.

Brent, I've been a professional sailor over and under the sea for over 40 years. When it comes to firefighting, like so much of your other stuff, you are full of poo. You are clearly clueless and your advice is dangerous. The naivety my old bucket is entirely yours.

 

[lpdsn]

Confirmed from where in BC? BC has enough coastline to go 2/3rds the way around the world. "Confirmed from BC" is like saying' "Confirmed from Europe." How would anyone who was not there (and no one was but me) be able to confirm anything?
You are obviously making things up , eliminating the credibility of anything else you post.

2/3rds of the way round the world? Last year BC was stretched all the way down to Chile. Then somebody let go one end.

Maybe you're more famous than you know. World famous even, in BC.

Perhaps they'll build a statue to you. Of course with all the local scrap steel used up for your signature designs, they'd have to build it in fibre-glass.

 

[newtothis]

After a supper of venison steak, washed down with a big cup of nettle tea, I sat in the cockpit, watching huge sea lions gorging themselves on herring, in the moonlight , some using my boat to herd them against.
The following morning I woke up at the crack of 9 am, in an empty ,beautiful, island anchorage, with sunlight streaming thru my ports. I turned on the radio, and listed to the traffic reports, to hear what I was missing .
Breakfast of more venison steak, and I headed out , counting 15 bald eagles, also gorging on herring. Nice run up the strait, in brilliant sunshine, ,surrounded by snow capped mountains, as far as the eye could see, not a cloud in the sky. Got in, and before I got moored, friends were around ,welcoming me back. Shared supper with a wonderful young, liveaboard lady, from the great liveaboard community here .
Boy you sure wouldn't want to get advice from someone like me. Horror of horrors, you could end up living like me, as I have done most of my adult life!
Some say I am envious of those in the city traffic jams, going to work , to pay off debts for most of their life, and would rather be in their shoes!
Ya sure !

Big deal.
After a dinner of filet steak washed down with a rather nice Bordeaux, I sat on a very comfortable sofa watching an intelligent engaging movie.
After a fat-free breakfast (gotta watch those fatbergs), I rode my brilliantly engineered lightweight bike to an office where I work with a bunch of really smart people doing something I really enjoy and get well-remunerated for.
Got home, shared supper with my partner in our comfortable house.
Boy you sure wouldn't want to get advice from someone like me. Horror of horrors, you could end up living like me, as I have done most of my adult life!
Some say I am envious of those repetitive mountains, smelly sea lions and more bloody eagles doing what they do everyday, who live in poverty for most of their life, eating dinner with hippies on boats, and would rather be in their shoes!
Ya sure!

 

[rotrax]

Big deal.

Some say I am envious of those repetitive mountains, smelly sea lions and more bloody eagles doing what they do everyday, who live in poverty for most of their life, eating dinner with hippies on boats, and would rather be in their shoes!
Ya sure!

You are bang on.

For sheer sameness the BC coastline has it in spades. Only the sun reflecting off the Cascades adds variety.

Perhaps the mind numbing samey repetitive dark green scenery is why BS is as he is.

Its in the phsyche from living in such a place.

Dont get me wrong-it can be stunningly beautiful-but a constant and unchanging diet of champagne anf fillet mignon soon has one screaming for a cheese and pickle sandwich........................

 

[rotrax]

Confirmed from where in BC? BC has enough coastline to go 2/3rds the way around the world. "Confirmed from BC" is like saying' "Confirmed from Europe." How would anyone who was not there (and no one was but me) be able to confirm anything?
You are obviously making things up , eliminating the credibility of anything else you post.

But Brent-you cant keep your trap shut.

You obviously gobbed off to those in your social media set or fellow liveaboards, who then spoke to others in the sailing/manine society in BC. Which, when followed up by my guy, was subsequently confirmed.

Are you denying that your fire was a small bit of timber and surounding insulation that was set alight by a holed dry exhaust?

A fire that a squirt with an extiguisher would have coped with easily?

A quick search for one of your boats for sale-it is very nice by the way-also bought up a link to SA.

It was headed " $H1t Brent Swain says ".

They were not very flattering about you and your stories.

A good steel boat is a very good thing.

A bad one is a disaster.

They are not a universal panacea for cruisings dangers.

It is a pity you cannot be flexible in your mind to accept the above, and that GRP vessels will also carry out the same task.

 

[DownWest]

You are obviously making things up , eliminating the credibility of anything else you post.

I was going to save a few electrons and stay away, But since Brent put up such an 'Own Goal' after making up so many things himself, I had to laugh.

Why am I reminded of the religious people who come to the door and try to convert us? I did try and discuss it with a couple of the JWs. Waste of time, as they trumped every opposing view with 'The bible is completely accurate' Not quite the view of anybody who studies it and is not a zelot.

One thought, since our hero BS has lived a spendid life outside the system, what happens when he gets a bit doddery? Who will look after him?

 

[Achosenman]

One thought, since our hero BS has lived a spendid life outside the system, what happens when he gets a bit doddery? Who will look after him?

If you do a bit of research in other places where his fantas...sorry fantastic life and claims have been scrutinised closely, you will quickly realise that it will likely be the same as usual. I.e a couch at his sister's house and a dole cheque from the Canadian government...

 

[DownWest]

If you do a bit of research in other places where his fantas...sorry fantastic life and claims have been scrutinised closely, you will quickly realise that it will likely be the same as usual. I.e a couch at his sister's house and a dole cheque from the Canadian government...

I have looked around... and seen the alternatives... And, have also seen several people who have pushed it too far and relied on the kindness of 'strangers' . Not what I would want to do.
Do the Canadian Gov. Support people who live off the net when they run out of options?